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Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:50 pm
by Korver15
This right here is why I like this forum. Thanks guys for the replys!
I have that article by lockpickingforensics but it didnt give much info for picking.

That little piece in the center is made out of brass?? I was thinking it was stainless! Looks like making a custom tension is the consensus. Ill start with that.

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:52 pm
by Korver15
Farmerfreak wrote:Image
Note that it is not an HPC pick, I placed an HPC handle onto that pick.


That is a very interesting design for a tension tool Is there a reason you didnt go with the normal L?

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:51 pm
by aeporia
Korver15 wrote:That is a very interesting design for a tension tool Is there a reason you didnt go with the normal L?


There’s a link to the older thread on the previous page which, iirc, notes that this tensioner design avoids touching the inner parts of the center nub, instead displacing force on either side of the center nub, or I think that’s the intention at least.

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:11 pm
by Farmerfreak
Korver15 wrote:That is a very interesting design for a tension tool Is there a reason you didnt go with the normal L?
I think an F shape would work ok. I turned another tool I didn't use into that, and it was already roughly that shape.

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 10:53 am
by Mschf
Hi guys, I'm new to this forum (have been on the other for a number of years) and have had a lot of fun learning to pick these. How did you go with the bilock.

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 12:20 pm
by GWiens2001
BiLock is an entirely different animal than a V7. The V7s are downright easy compared to the BiLock.

Gordon

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 5:46 am
by Mschf
I've not had the chance to pick a Lockwood v7. Even though I live in Australia I've never seen one either. If anyone has one they'd like to sell I'd definitely be interested.

I have 2 bilocks, both are the quick change style cylinders.

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:58 am
by tumbl3r
I picked one of these a few days ago (https://youtu.be/qiKJqUuFM6k). From what I found, it's pretty straight forward to test for true / false gates. Tapping on the pins causes them to rattle and jiggle a bit when they're set. Just like any other sidebar system really. The largest challenge seemed to be accessing high cuts that are directly behind low cuts. Now I'm generally one who says "bitting doesn't matter", but on this particular lock, the low cuts are so low that it's very difficult to get a pick behind them. The thing I found most useful was a diamond combined with the using the "U" shaped keyway to move the pick off to the side and slide around the low cuts.

Only a sample size of 1, but thought it might help someone to mention it. I'd be interested to hear if others have found similar bahavior / challenges with these locks. Thanks a million, Josh for loaning me your lock!

PS. These are good locks. They are well-made and tricky to pick, but for the company to claim they are pick-proof is simply false. There are many perfectly pickable locks that are far more difficult than these.

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:56 am
by femurat
tumbl3r wrote: The thing I found most useful was a diamond combined with the using the "U" shaped keyway to move the pick off to the side and slide around the low cuts.


Great job man! Half diamond FTW :halfdiamond:

Cheers :)

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:17 am
by MHM
tumbl3r wrote:,

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but on this particular lock, the low cuts are so low

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They're very proud of the fact that the MACS is unrestricted and so quite a lot of the Bilocks have what on a normal pin tumbler lock would be quite radical bitting.

Mind you, an awful lot are mastered as well because this was always a premium system and was/is mostly bought by institutional and corporate buyers, rather than Joe Lunchpail wanting a higher security front door lock.

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:10 pm
by huxleypig
Oh man marketing blurb like "virtually unpickable" (Abloy, Baton) and "unpickable" (Kensington, Bilock) are my favourite terms! I like the Bilock but it is another lock that has had a remarkably easy ride over the last 10 years or so, for such a simple design. When I get the time I have a few Bilock tools I wish to make. I am aiming for < 1 minute opening time. I do not think this is unreasonable, with the right tooling. Wish me luck ;-)

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:47 pm
by Patrick Star
huxleypig wrote:Oh man marketing blurb like "virtually unpickable" (Abloy, Baton)

Since it's just marketing blurb, when can we expect the video of you picking a Protec? :-)

I've seen claims that John Falle sells a generic decoder for BiLock. Basically the same principle as various lever lock tools - set each pin to a given position and test if it's in a true or false gate. Apparently it uses a make-up key system where you make cuts in pre-scored metal strips. Might be something to try to emulate...

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:59 am
by huxleypig
Patrick Star wrote:
huxleypig wrote:Oh man marketing blurb like "virtually unpickable" (Abloy, Baton)

Since it's just marketing blurb, when can we expect the video of you picking a Protec? :-)

I've seen claims that John Falle sells a generic decoder for BiLock. Basically the same principle as various lever lock tools - set each pin to a given position and test if it's in a true or false gate. Apparently it uses a make-up key system where you make cuts in pre-scored metal strips. Might be something to try to emulate...


I suspect that the video of a Protec picking will be a long time coming, no matter what the status of the tool.

Yeah, I know the Falle tool for Bilock. Those pre-cut strips are awesome. I have no interest in emulating Falle's tools, brilliant though many of them are. No need. :smile:

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:29 pm
by Prodigy
it has been a while , but I'm back online again !
Bi-lock is an unusual animal and I totally enjoyed designing tools to open them. there is serious reasons for not exposing tooling. The BI-Lock tool has been the LOCH NESS monster tool. heard stories, seen pictures else where and met people who has actually held and seen it.