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Posted: **Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:20 pm**

Heys guys,

Picked up a S&G environmental recently~ but I am a bit confused as it is a bit different than the ones I have seen online.

Here are some things I am confused about:

1. The key has 4 digits, and is not in the classic format (i.e. "101")

2. There are no Numbers stamped on the top or on the side.

3. The cuts on the key look to be more than just 0, 45, 90.

4. It does not say "Made in the USA" on the bottom

Photos:

Thanks for any insight!

Posted: **Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:21 pm**

That is the "civilian" version of the lock. It has more cuts and more depths than the railroad version.

Posted: **Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:36 pm**

Ohhhh!

Ok cool! Any idea how many possible cuts the civilian version can have?

Thanks!

Posted: **Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:43 pm**

Marduk28 wrote:Ohhhh!

Ok cool! Any idea how many possible cuts the civilian version can have?

Thanks!

I've wondered if it is possible to mod this lock with extra discs and turn it into an Abloy-nian picking nightmare. Possible?

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:41 pm**

I'm curious to know for certain if this is a 4-disc or a 5-disc. I believe it to be 4, with the small tab at the bottom of the key not actually turning a disc, but actually just there for key retention. You'll note that it's narrower than the other cuts, which is why I suspect this.

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:07 pm**

flywheel wrote: I've wondered if it is possible to mod this lock with extra discs and turn it into an Abloy-nian picking nightmare. Possible?

yeah you could, the spacers in that lock are huge.... from time to time I think about modding mine

here is a pic of the internals of a RR one

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:13 am**

I don't have too much experience with disc style locks~

From the look of the key I posted~ how many discs are in there?

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