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Deadlock wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/james-boyd-killed-by-cops_n_5021117.html#slide=316320

This shooting even drew some attention on this side of the pond.

Josephus wrote:

Deadlock wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/james-boyd-killed-by-cops_n_5021117.html#slide=316320

This shooting even drew some attention on this side of the pond.

Eight on one, assault rifles, shotguns, flashbangs, and a dog all for what? Some homeless guy off in the bush. The lack of honor is beyond extreme. Reminds me of something a k-9 officer near my home said to me after he left to do private work. He told me that, when there a bad cop not immediately arrested, that makes all the other cops that know him bad cops too. Anyway, my axe to grind is this self sacrifice and danger nonsense. Factory workers die more frequently than police or modern military personnel while getting a fraction of the compensation. Why does one group demand respect while the other one is looked down on? As for duty, remember police officers do not have any obligations to catch criminals, arrest law breakers, or prevent crime. Officers, nor departments, can be sued for being unwilling or unable to stop, prevent, or solve crime. All authority and no responsibility. It is just a job like any other, except they get to use live military equipment and violent force on a whim.

squirrelcop wrote:

Josephus wrote:

Deadlock wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/james-boyd-killed-by-cops_n_5021117.html#slide=316320

This shooting even drew some attention on this side of the pond.

Eight on one, assault rifles, shotguns, flashbangs, and a dog all for what? Some homeless guy off in the bush. The lack of honor is beyond extreme. Reminds me of something a k-9 officer near my home said to me after he left to do private work. He told me that, when there a bad cop not immediately arrested, that makes all the other cops that know him bad cops too. Anyway, my axe to grind is this self sacrifice and danger nonsense. Factory workers die more frequently than police or modern military personnel while getting a fraction of the compensation. Why does one group demand respect while the other one is looked down on? As for duty, remember police officers do not have any obligations to catch criminals, arrest law breakers, or prevent crime. Officers, nor departments, can be sued for being unwilling or unable to stop, prevent, or solve crime. All authority and no responsibility. It is just a job like any other, except they get to use live military equipment and violent force on a whim.

Let me tell you about James Boyd, before you scoff this off as police murdering a poor homeless camper. James Boyd had a history of slashing up peoples faces with knives, had broken the nose of a police officer when he punched her in the face while resisting arrest. James Boyd was killed because he pulled out two knives in order to attack police who were attempting to lawfully arrest him. He had a history of assaulting police and attacking people with knives.

Daggers wrote:

squirrelcop wrote:

Josephus wrote:

Deadlock wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/james-boyd-killed-by-cops_n_5021117.html#slide=316320

This shooting even drew some attention on this side of the pond.

Eight on one, assault rifles, shotguns, flashbangs, and a dog all for what? Some homeless guy off in the bush. The lack of honor is beyond extreme. Reminds me of something a k-9 officer near my home said to me after he left to do private work. He told me that, when there a bad cop not immediately arrested, that makes all the other cops that know him bad cops too. Anyway, my axe to grind is this self sacrifice and danger nonsense. Factory workers die more frequently than police or modern military personnel while getting a fraction of the compensation. Why does one group demand respect while the other one is looked down on? As for duty, remember police officers do not have any obligations to catch criminals, arrest law breakers, or prevent crime. Officers, nor departments, can be sued for being unwilling or unable to stop, prevent, or solve crime. All authority and no responsibility. It is just a job like any other, except they get to use live military equipment and violent force on a whim.

Let me tell you about James Boyd, before you scoff this off as police murdering a poor homeless camper. James Boyd had a history of slashing up peoples faces with knives, had broken the nose of a police officer when he punched her in the face while resisting arrest. James Boyd was killed because he pulled out two knives in order to attack police who were attempting to lawfully arrest him. He had a history of assaulting police and attacking people with knives.

Oh that totally justifies it. They had tasers and other alternatives to guns. He pulls out a knife so they pull out some guns? That's overkill and abuse of powers.

squirrelcop wrote:

Daggers wrote:

squirrelcop wrote:

Josephus wrote:

Deadlock wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/james-boyd-killed-by-cops_n_5021117.html#slide=316320

This shooting even drew some attention on this side of the pond.

Eight on one, assault rifles, shotguns, flashbangs, and a dog all for what? Some homeless guy off in the bush. The lack of honor is beyond extreme. Reminds me of something a k-9 officer near my home said to me after he left to do private work. He told me that, when there a bad cop not immediately arrested, that makes all the other cops that know him bad cops too. Anyway, my axe to grind is this self sacrifice and danger nonsense. Factory workers die more frequently than police or modern military personnel while getting a fraction of the compensation. Why does one group demand respect while the other one is looked down on? As for duty, remember police officers do not have any obligations to catch criminals, arrest law breakers, or prevent crime. Officers, nor departments, can be sued for being unwilling or unable to stop, prevent, or solve crime. All authority and no responsibility. It is just a job like any other, except they get to use live military equipment and violent force on a whim.

Let me tell you about James Boyd, before you scoff this off as police murdering a poor homeless camper. James Boyd had a history of slashing up peoples faces with knives, had broken the nose of a police officer when he punched her in the face while resisting arrest. James Boyd was killed because he pulled out two knives in order to attack police who were attempting to lawfully arrest him. He had a history of assaulting police and attacking people with knives.

Oh that totally justifies it. They had tasers and other alternatives to guns. He pulls out a knife so they pull out some guns? That's overkill and abuse of powers.

I agree its shocking and I felt the same way when I first saw it. I would like to think I would have acted differently by utilized my less-lethal options first. Police are human beings and as human beings they have a desire for self preservation. I don't know how far away medical help was from them, but honestly, I wouldn't have risked being gutted if the nearest trauma center is hours away. Would you?
The bottom line is that James Boyd introduced a deadly threat into a lawful arrest and had an established history of violent attacks against police. Make no mistake, James Boyd had every intention of injuring or killing those officers.

Daggers wrote:how I would've acted in that situation since I haven't been in one like that. But in my mind, a taser stops someone quite effectively. I've never heard of or seen someone keep walking while being tased. I'm not saying he was innocent and all but I don't believe anyone deserves to die just like that and if someone threatened me with a knife, I would much rather tase them than kill them.

Deadlock wrote:...But if you shoot them with a Taser? No. If the guy in your story was hit with a Taser and he could still fight off three cops, he wasn't hit with a Taser.

huxleypig wrote:All I can go on is my own personal experience with the cops. They are self serving corporate whores with terrible attitudes.