OldddffAASSTT the Spin Master Extraordinaire and American Lock Slayer
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Hope to see some pictures along the way.
Glad you're here.
OldddffAASSTT the Spin Master Extraordinaire and American Lock Slayer
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Joined: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:16 pm
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OldddffAASSTT the Spin Master Extraordinaire and American Lock Slayer
Posts: 4412
Joined: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:16 pm
Location: Michigan
OldddffAASSTT the Spin Master Extraordinaire and American Lock Slayer
Posts: 4412
Joined: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:16 pm
Location: Michigan
MacNutz 42 wrote:Greetings all. I am about as new as one can be to this, in spite of being ancient of days. I have finally out grown building and painting scale model airplanes and need a new hobby. I've been watching a lot of Youtube videos. I like to do some research before I start spending money. I don't want to buy things I don't need or won't need until I have developed some skills.
I have come to learn and ask questions as I have no pretense of knowledge. I'm not strong enough to learn black smithing, my sensitive little hands may be perfect for this, or not.
I look forward to learning many new things about something I have always had some curiosity about.
alan wrote:Hi! I'm Alan from the Phoenix, AZ area. My main interest in locks stems from my own lock invention.
MHM wrote:Welcome to the group, both of you guys.
@Alan - what's your invention?
alan wrote:MHM wrote:Welcome to the group, both of you guys.
@Alan - what's your invention?
Thanks for the welcome. Let me explain my invention, and ask a question.
I have a new key core design. Briefly, its strengths are very high security at low cost. I've already filed for a patent, and am in the process of building a prototype.
This lock is provably bump-proof. It is extremely pick resistance (perhaps even Bowley lock difficult). I do not believe any impressioning will be possible. It is highly resistant to force because of inherently robust parts, and is designed to be made easily drill resistant with a single anti-drill pin.
Please assume for a minute that all of the above is true: this is a bump-proof, virtually pick proof, robust deadbolt at roughly Home Depot Kwikset/Schlage/Yale prices. Would it be commercially advantageous to have such a lock which also has a pretty conventional looking inexpensive key that can be easily copied on conventional key cutters? That is, does it make sense to market a lock with superior security, but an easily and cheaply copied key?
MHM wrote:alan wrote:MHM wrote:Welcome to the group, both of you guys.
@Alan - what's your invention?
Thanks for the welcome. Let me explain my invention, and ask a question.
I have a new key core design. Briefly, its strengths are very high security at low cost. I've already filed for a patent, and am in the process of building a prototype.
This lock is provably bump-proof. It is extremely pick resistance (perhaps even Bowley lock difficult). I do not believe any impressioning will be possible. It is highly resistant to force because of inherently robust parts, and is designed to be made easily drill resistant with a single anti-drill pin.
Please assume for a minute that all of the above is true: this is a bump-proof, virtually pick proof, robust deadbolt at roughly Home Depot Kwikset/Schlage/Yale prices. Would it be commercially advantageous to have such a lock which also has a pretty conventional looking inexpensive key that can be easily copied on conventional key cutters? That is, does it make sense to market a lock with superior security, but an easily and cheaply copied key?
Wow that's a really interesting question Alan.
First I'll answer as a businessman: No-one is going to sell a better product at a budget price, it doesn't make any kind of sense. A premium lock MUST be sold at a premium price...thus, if your system really is good then you (or more likely a major manufacturer under licence) would manufacture it for cheap, sell at the top end of the market, and reap the better margins. (There's not really a lot of margin in the low end security hardware stuff, which is why most of it is now made in China as cheaply and nastily as possible - I'm not suggesting that you should do that of course.)
Second, the key. If you want the product to be taken seriously by manufacturers, locksmiths, and consumers, then key control is mandatory. A high security lock with an easily copyable key...is not a high security lock. Manufacturers spend an awful lot of time and money adding complex features to keys for exactly this reason, and you'd need to do the same. From the locksmith's point of view it's a very good thing if he can cut a key for your system on his existing machine, BUT you would absolutely have to make sure that the blanks he cuts the key from are unique, patented, and ONLY available from you. This is why the major high security lock makers make a HUGE deal out of patenting their special key blanks, and then when the patent is close to expiry they add an extra feature to extend the patent and keep the system (and the profits) secure. If you think that this sounds like the pharmaceutical industry, you'd be correct.
I'd love to have a look at your new design once you have a working prototype...
Best wishes,
Michael.
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