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Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:49 am
by DIY Dave
I've got a supra push button realtor key box and I'm kind of stumped on how to get it open. I know most have a deadlatch that will stays locked in place until the combo is entered so the latch can't be shimmed. I also considered drilling a small hole and driving in the latch, but I'm pretty sure that won't work either.

Any other ideas? Any help is appreciated.
Below is what the box looks like.

supra push button.jpg

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:57 am
by keymaster1053
You are correct, that version is a bolt, not even a dead latch, so it will not push in no matter what. that type of door, can be set to any number of digits to open, from one to all ten (ten would be stupid, but it is possible) the good thing is each number can only be used once, and it doesn't matter what order they are pressed. in other words, if 1234 is the code, you can press 4321 and it will still open. with this in mind, your best bet is to brute force it (try all possible combo's) four digits is the most commonly used, so I would start there. I know somewhere on the net there is a software app that will generate all possible combo's after you've entered the rules ie: 0-9, no repeats, any order, 4-digits, etc. if you print that out just try them and cross off the list at your lesiure until you get it. perhaps someone else here knows the website of that app??
good luck, and let us know!
Jim.

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:58 am
by elbowmacaroni
Sounds about right there KM.

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:30 pm
by rai
A bolt, do ya push the thumb lever up then mess the code numbers to lock it,

Most that I have seen, not this model have snap latches that are cammed to press back the latch then they snap shut, and I recently have seen a supra with a shackle for putting it on the doorknob, fall open when being struck repeatedly

I would certainly try the rubber hammer with the lock tilted so that if the snaplatch is driven back far enough the door will fall off.

I suggested someone experiment with this after seeing it happen but no one was interested in trying. That was in another thread, I don't have one of these to experiment with, but I have seen a supra four wheel comb lock fall open when struck (actually it was being used as a hammer on another lock with a broken key in it.

the thumb lever for pulling back the bolt looks just like the ones that are snap latches.

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:13 pm
by DIY Dave
keymaster1053 wrote:You are correct, that version is a bolt, not even a dead latch, so it will not push in no matter what. that type of door, can be set to any number of digits to open, from one to all ten (ten would be stupid, but it is possible) the good thing is each number can only be used once, and it doesn't matter what order they are pressed. in other words, if 1234 is the code, you can press 4321 and it will still open. with this in mind, your best bet is to brute force it (try all possible combo's) four digits is the most commonly used, so I would start there. I know somewhere on the net there is a software app that will generate all possible combo's after you've entered the rules ie: 0-9, no repeats, any order, 4-digits, etc. if you print that out just try them and cross off the list at your lesiure until you get it. perhaps someone else here knows the website of that app??
good luck, and let us know!
Jim.


Here's one combination generator I found. It's a little confusing because it uses letters instead of numbers. http://www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations-calculator.html

If we assume it uses 4 digits and we know order doesn't matter, there are 210 possible combinations...not too bad compared to most combination locks.
I used open office find and replace to replace all the letters with their coresponding number (a-1 b-2 ect)

  Code:
1234 1235 1236 1237 1238 1239 1230 1245 1246 1247 1248 1249 1240 1256 1257 1258 1259 1250 1267 1268 1269 1260 1278 1279 1270 1289 1280 1290 1345 1346 1347 1348 1349 1340 1356 1357 1358 1359 1350 1367 1368 1369 1360 1378 1379 1370 1389 1380 1390 1456 1457 1458 1459 1450 1467 1468 1469 1460 1478 1479 1470 1489 1480 1490 1567 1568 1569 1560 1578 1579 1570 1589 1580 1590 1678 1679 1670 1689 1680 1690 1789 1780 1790 1890 2345 2346 2347 2348 2349 2340 2356 2357 2358 2359 2350 2367 2368 2369 2360 2378 2379 2370 2389 2380 2390 2456 2457 2458 2459 2450 2467 2468 2469 2460 2478 2479 2470 2489 2480 2490 2567 2568 2569 2560 2578 2579 2570 2589 2580 2590 2678 2679 2670 2689 2680 2690 2789 2780 2790 2890 3456 3457 3458 3459 3450 3467 3468 3469 3460 3478 3479 3470 3489 3480 3490 3567 3568 3569 3560 3578 3579 3570 3589 3580 3590 3678 3679 3670 3689 3680

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:26 pm
by PhoneMan
like the simplex locks, buttons are only pressed once. some like the 1000 and 900 series it has to be in a certain order, others like the LD475, it does not.
A cool trick to find the numbers on one of these that's still in use is to rub UV ink on the buttons and see which ones are pressed by shining a UV blacklight on the buttons. I still like actual keyed locks or dial combo locks better.

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:26 pm
by 10ringo10
great post diy dave :D put it into a pdf supra- simplex not much difference !

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:49 pm
by keymaster1053
rai wrote:A bolt, do ya push the thumb lever up then mess the code numbers to lock it,

Most that I have seen, not this model have snap latches that are cammed to press back the latch then they snap shut, and I recently have seen a supra with a shackle for putting it on the doorknob, fall open when being struck repeatedly

I would certainly try the rubber hammer with the lock tilted so that if the snaplatch is driven back far enough the door will fall off.

I suggested someone experiment with this after seeing it happen but no one was interested in trying. That was in another thread, I don't have one of these to experiment with, but I have seen a supra four wheel comb lock fall open when struck (actually it was being used as a hammer on another lock with a broken key in it.

the thumb lever for pulling back the bolt looks just like the ones that are snap latches.

No, on this version, you press your code, and pull down that top thumb lever to open the box, as soon as you let go, it snaps back to the locked position and the buttons are all instantly reset. you have to enter the code again, and pull lever again, to close box. so no amount of hitting is going to open this. it's a deadbolt not a latch.

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:30 am
by Libertyclicks
I did one of these earlier this year.... should be a post on here about it somewhere...

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:55 pm
by dmasters
Libertyclicks wrote:I did one of these earlier this year.... should be a post on here about it somewhere...


http://www.keypicking.com/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=7774&p=67773#p67773

Found it. May have to try your method, Liberty. The method I've used requires a sensitive touch: Hold down the opening button and gently push/wiggle the buttons. The ones that give the most resistance are part of the combo. Practice, get a feel for it, then amaze people with your psychic powers :cool:

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:39 pm
by DIY Dave
dmasters wrote:
Libertyclicks wrote:I did one of these earlier this year.... should be a post on here about it somewhere...


http://www.keypicking.com/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=7774&p=67773#p67773

Found it. May have to try your method, Liberty. The method I've used requires a sensitive touch: Hold down the opening button and gently push/wiggle the buttons. The ones that give the most resistance are part of the combo. Practice, get a feel for it, then amaze people with your psychic powers :cool:



Thanks I will try both methods

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:15 pm
by DIY Dave
I got it open using dmaster's method. The combo was 3 digits

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:24 pm
by GringoLocksmith
Very cool. Can you key in those three numbers in any order?

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:59 pm
by oldbiscuit
YUP you can

Re: Supra push button realtor box

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:41 am
by Oldfast
dmasters wrote:
Libertyclicks wrote:I did one of these earlier this year.... should be a post on here about it somewhere...


http://www.keypicking.com/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=7774&p=67773#p67773

Found it. May have to try your method, Liberty. The method I've used requires a sensitive touch: Hold down the opening button and gently push/wiggle the buttons. The ones that give the most resistance are part of the combo. Practice, get a feel for it, then amaze people with your psychic powers :cool:

DIY Dave wrote:I got it open using dmaster's method. The combo was 3 digits


Nice job Dave! And thank you Jon. You guys inspired me to dig out mine.

The only go I had with it a while back left me with nothing but soar fingertips. lol
But you guys renewed my confidence. It popped in just a few minutes of gettin' it out :)

A Supra Series 3. I found the four-digit combo to be 1-5-9-0 (as mentioned... in any order works)

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Thanks again guys :D