We mustn't fail the MossMan!

[Oldfast]

Ok guys, an old American Series 600. I had hoped to make a key and get it in working order for Jeff.
I just realized there's not even letters on the body, so I'm not even sure just how old this one is.
Double ball bearing locking & the core would be of the oldschool type like this one.

So here's the problem... it's 1 o'clock all day, every day around here. lol
The plug comes to a solid stop and refuses to turn beyond that. Ideas?????



I cannot imagine this is simply a false set. I've picked it multiple times. I've also made a working key
in hopes of providing me a little more torque on the plug while not raping the shit outta the keyway.



At this point, I've exhaused everything my little brain can muster up.

-Filled with degreasers & lubricants (thru the drainage holes till it's hemorrhaging out the keyway) lol
-I've picked on it for some time under the assumption that this IS just a crazy false set.
-with 1 o'clock rotation of the plug, I thought it might allow for shimming. Nope
-and a last ditch effort... a 9 hour deep-freeze brought no change either.

I'm welcoming an "oh... duh!" moment. I hope I've just overlooked something simple.
If you have any ideas (no matter how rediculous)... lemme know and I'll give it a try.

This lock should be frustrating the shit outta me by now. But I'm a sick man, so it's actually starting to intrigue me. lol

[jeffmoss26]

So...with a working key, it does not open?

[xeo]

Just a rediculous idea... but that looks like an SFIC. Did you try pulling the core out?

[jeffmoss26]

it's not a tumor! (SFIC)!

[Riyame]

Have you tried a bigger hammer? I wonder if somebody didnt put it back together right and got the cam mixed up or something.

[jeffmoss26]

Yeah, I have no idea. I got it at a flea market so I know nothing about its history

[Oldfast]

it's not a tumor! (SFIC)!

hahAAAAA! LMAO!

Just a rediculous idea... but that looks like an SFIC. Did you try pulling the core out?

That IS a rediculous idea... I LOVE IT! Went and tried it..... but nope.

Have you tried a bigger hammer? I wonder if somebody didnt put it back together right and got the cam mixed up or something.

I've beat the livin' shit outta this thing to no avail. DISCLAIMER: all marks on the body previously existed prior to my happy hour. lol

[jeffmoss26]

You did not answer my first question...does it work with the key?

[Oldfast]

The impressioned key still only brings it to that 1 o'clock

[jeffmoss26]

that is most saddening...
if I was able to find a replacement cylinder with keys, I would tell you to drill that one out for some 'investigation' but I have been unable to locate one thus far

[jruther2]

Can it be picked counter clockwise? Not necessarily asking if it can be opened ccw, just picked and rotated a few degrees then plug spin. I'm thinking there is a slight chance that you are in some sort of crazy false set going cw and ccw picking might help you avoid it.

[magician59]

Try using a bypass tool. If that doesn't work, I would destroy the cylinder (if I were interested in saving the lock).

[jailersmith]

Try to turn the key gently while tapping on the shackle, I suspect the cylinder retaining screw is way too tight. Or try tapping the face of lock to vibrate the retaining screw loose, then try turning the cylinder. It has worked for me before even on pin retainer style. Sadly it's still hit or miss. Good luck.

[MBI]

Sounds like the magnets located in the Marzel vanes have completely failed. It can be tricky to open the shackle when that happens, but you might want to try inversing the current relactance of the inductive fam, parallel to the relative motion of the stader. It might eliminate the side fumbling and allow the plug to turn. If that works, for heaven's sake don't re-lock the shackle until you get those magnets replaced.

[Oldfast]

MBI... This locks vaginal influx capacitor is far too unstable to attempt such a maneuver. Tempting yes, but not a feasible option.

Try to turn the key gently while tapping on the shackle, I suspect the cylinder retaining screw is way too tight. Or try tapping the face of lock to vibrate the retaining screw loose, then try turning the cylinder. It has worked for me before even on pin retainer style. Sadly it's still hit or miss. Good luck.

I'm inclined to think it is of the pin retaining type rather than screw. I have tried a good number of blows to the lock
from a variety of angles... both while turning the key, and without it. I may revisit this just for the sake of trying again.
As you say, it sometimes comes down to luck. So it couldn't hurt to try again *shrugs*
....come to think of it, I never really targeted the shackle for very long... think I'll try again.

Try using a bypass tool. If that doesn't work, I would destroy the cylinder (if I were interested in saving the lock).

Ah yes, I forget to mention that in my initial list of "already tried". On a sidenote: Petersons current American bypass tool is just not
the same quality as the first one I ever purchased from them. They've changed it. I remember being sorely disappointed when I
received this second one. Discussion for a different thread I suppose. I'm scared to apply much torque with this one though.

Can it be picked counter clockwise? Not necessarily asking if it can be opened ccw, just picked and rotated a few degrees then plug spin. I'm thinking there is a slight chance that you are in some sort of crazy false set going cw and ccw picking might help you avoid it.

No movement on the core and no pins bind with tension applied CCW. If the core is like this one though.... that would make sense.
However, I keep coming back to the fact that maybe it IS a crazy false set. If so, I just can't beleive I've not worked my way out of
it yet. I'm going to continue trying for at least a bit longer though. My last session left me targeting pin 4 for some reason.


Thanks for all the thoughts so far guys... I'll keep trying.