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a strange cash drawer lock

PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:50 pm
by PhoneMan
I pulled this off of a busted plastic cash tray that I got the other day. (The resale store I work at got some stuff donated from a bank)
it takes a standard National key, but there's something unique with it.
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Ok, here's the back:
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Is that a lever lock? According to the patent numbers, the core is removeable, I'd guess there's a key that fits in there to remove it. Problem is, I can find no reference to this key, or even a pic of one to try and make one. The store also got a few undercounter drawers from the same bank, and they have a very similar mechanism, except they are deadbolt latches instead of spring latches.

What kind of tool/key do I need to find or make to get the core out. I also have one with a operating key as well.

Re: a strange cash drawer lock

PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:51 pm
by ARF-GEF
I have seen simple lever locks with a similar hole,though I am not familiar with that model. My couch is for that though :)

Re: a strange cash drawer lock

PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:04 pm
by GWiens2001
Can see pins inside the keyway, so it must be a pin tumbler. It could just be the way the manufacturer got a pin tumbler cylinder to fit into a lever housing. Probably for retro-fitting.

Hopefully others can give more input.

Gordon

Re: a strange cash drawer lock

PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:18 pm
by ARF-GEF
Aren't we talking about the hole on the back? :D
that was the hole which reminded me of simple lever lock's keyholes...

Re: a strange cash drawer lock

PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:13 pm
by PhoneMan
it's not a retrofit, I'm pretty sure it's to pull the cylinder out. The pin tumbler lock is the main lock, the lever lock is presumably to remove the pin tumbler cylinder.

Re: a strange cash drawer lock

PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:25 pm
by GWiens2001
Oh, I see, said the blind man to his deaf friend. Yes, that lever keyway does not line up with the keyway on the front. Thought it was at the opposite end of the keyway!

Lever locks are frequently very easy to impression. Look at the Slaymaker thread I posted a few days ago. Ignore the part about making the blank to fit the crooked Slaymaker keyway - you will only need a flat piece of brass or other metal of the correct thickness. (Or a flat key blank). If using a flat piece of metal, cut a knob at the tip of the key blank the same height as the center part of the lever lock keyway. That will help keep it centered correctly in the lock.

Put the blank fully in the lock, and use a fine point pen to mark the height of the face of the lock on the blank. Pull out the blank, and you can estimate the thickness of the metal face of the lock. Cut a slot down to the height of the center plug. (This is called a throat cut) That will allow the key to turn.

Next you can use a candle, marker, or whatever is convenient to mark the leading edge of the key blade. Put the blank into the keyway, and turn it until it stops. Do not wiggle the key... this is not a pin tumbler lock you are impressioning. Just turn it back and forth a couple of times, then remove the blank. File only where you see marks. Re-mark your cut area, and repeat until the lock opens.

Good luck!

Gordon

Re: a strange cash drawer lock

PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:18 pm
by MrWizard
I have seen many diebold cash drawer locks.
The key in the back releases the cyld in the front to be rekeyed instantly.

Richard

Re: a strange cash drawer lock

PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:48 am
by jharveee
Looks like a mystery.
Hope you make a key for the keyhole on the back.
Enjoy seeing the process of making a key and watching it turn.

Good luck :drool:

Re: a strange cash drawer lock

PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:42 pm
by DIY Dave
That back keyhole is to remove the core. I have one and tried to post a picture but it won't upload. If you can't get it impressioned, I can send you a duplicate of mine

Re: a strange cash drawer lock

PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:18 pm
by PhoneMan
Sorry for the late response. As MrWizard and DIYDave said, it does indeed release the cylinder, and I was able to get it out with a :longhook:
Just started picking on it and the core fell out in my hand! Thanks for the help guys!

Edit, here it is with the core out:
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Re: a strange cash drawer lock

PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:37 pm
by easy-e
Someone is selling 9 of these on Ebay. There is a picture of the change key. Looks really simple.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-Diebold-Half- ... 1297047733

Re: a strange cash drawer lock

PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:26 pm
by Joe Momma
easy-e wrote:Someone is selling 9 of these on Ebay. There is a picture of the change key. Looks really simple.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-Diebold-Half- ... 1297047733


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