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Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:31 am
by chris
Keil New York Super Safety "Pick Proof" lock. Apparently the company was later sued for false statements and they stopped calling it pick proof. So this is one of the earlier models of that production line. Kokomolock pointed out that this may be part of the Francis Keil and Son Lock NY company. Anyway, here is a breakdown of the lock and what makes it "Pick Proof". Whether this statement is false, I still have yet to pick it open, that small disk really does make it a pain in the ass.

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Face of the lock

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Back of the cylinder

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Expandable mortise cylinder.

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Plug with keypins, the first keypin rests upon a metal disk that prevents access to the rest of the pins. Note also the dimple in the top of the key pin.

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The first key pin and how it rests on the disk when inside the cylinder.

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Key pins resting on the key. All key pins are the cool bomb style pins with the exception being the first key pin.

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Drivers and key pins. Note the first driver has a smaller bottom that fits into the notch of the first key pin.
The rest of the driver pins are free moving disks stacked around a central rod.

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Close up of the stacked driver pin.

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As per request of Awol70 I took apart one of the stacked driver pins.
The central rod is connected to the bottom disk, runs through four more disks and is capped off by a disk with a smaller diameter hole.

Re: Keil New York "Pidk Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:34 am
by KokomoLock
Very Cool!!!!! Thanks for posting the pictures. With the warding and the first cut having the blocking plate making it a max depth cut and all the security pins, DAMN!!! Good luck getting it picked, can't wait for the video on that one!!!

Re: Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:27 pm
by whizdumb
Awesome breakdown. And for it's day that a really cool security design.. Good luck with it. And I hope you can get it picked at some point.

Happy Picking,
Whizdumb

Re: Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:42 pm
by Warder
Thanks for the great photos and explanation. I look forward to videos displaying this lock being used and picked!

Re: Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:14 pm
by omegaman
awesome breakdown great pictures looking forward to seeing you pick that bad boy on camera

how old are those locks? seems like a pretty secure design for its day.

catch ya lata have fun......................................................

Re: Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:24 pm
by chris
Not sure on the age, pretty damn old though, not sure when Keil New York was around, i'll have to do some research.

Re: Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:10 pm
by uklockpicker
Kool ive never seen a super pick proof lcok :razz:
Nice break-down pics & explanation

Re: Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:04 pm
by edsmiley
Thanks for the pictures.

Looks like you have quite a cool lock there. Can't wait until you pick it! Hope you get it on video.

Ed

Re: Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:20 pm
by macgng
Yeah thats a pretty crazy lock! They put some very interesting stuff in that old lock! :D

Re: Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:22 am
by s1deshowmick
A very enjoyable post Chris, Man i love the stacked drivers, how cool are they.

Thanks for the post.

Re: Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:45 pm
by the picker
never heard of stacked drivers before.great pictures thanks

Re: Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:25 pm
by Solomon
Even without the front pin and the blocking disk that thing would be such a mofo to pick... best of luck!! I'm sure it can be done, but it'll be at the cost of your own sanity. I reckon you'd need a custom pick or two to crack this one. Those guys really knew what they were doing, can't make a 100% pick proof lock but they've sure as hell made it as difficult as possible without incorporating a sidebar or other such stuff. Thanks for the pics chris :D

Now just imagine it had the same sidebar design as medeco aswell, and the tolerances of an ASSA... sleep tight!! :shock:

Re: Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:49 pm
by elbowmacaroni
WOW Chris, that is one cool ass old lock ya got you there! I dig those stacked drivers, that's quite a nasty piece of work to be sure. Have fun with that puppy!

Re: Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:15 pm
by huxleypig
How cool are those drivers? I wonder if a bump key attack might be much more profitable than picking?

Having said that, if anything calls itself 'pick proof' then it is just begging to be proved wrong!

How would getting past that plate work?

Re: Keil New York "Pick Proof" Lock Breakdown with Pictures

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:20 pm
by escher7
That lock is pick proof for anyone but very serious technicians, some of whom are on this site. The keyway alone is nasty.