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Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:59 pmby jgriner
so i think i did a horrible job explaining it above, so here is the pics notice the 2nd and 3rd change keys are the flats are mirror images, the one on the left will change the lock but destory the back cover, because the cover wont allow it to change the correct way, the one on the right is the correct key for that lock, most of the time
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:42 pmby Riyame
Interesting, I never knew that they had reverse change keys like that. I took a closer look at my lock and it would seem a reverse key is needed. If a normal key is used it would push straight into the tabs instead of pushing them down like the correct key.
And when you said "mickey mouse" key I was thinking of one like the pre 1950s brass S&G change keys with the big ears on them
Thank you for the information.
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:53 pmby jones
jgriner wrote:yeah thats a s&g lock manufactured for diebold, it normally uses what i call a mickymouse change keys, but diebold at also had the half moon change key made also.
beware that diebold most of the time, half moon keys turns backwords, meaning it doesnt use a normall lagard change key but one is a complete mirror image of the change key. the moon is cut backwards. dont force it most of these locks are missed up because someone forced the wrong change key in
Fortunately the 3330 lock has to be the cheapest place to find a new, disposable wheel pack
Especially during Locktoberfest at Lockmasters, usually
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:01 pmby Riyame
jones wrote:jgriner wrote:yeah thats a s&g lock manufactured for diebold, it normally uses what i call a mickymouse change keys, but diebold at also had the half moon change key made also.
beware that diebold most of the time, half moon keys turns backwords, meaning it doesnt use a normall lagard change key but one is a complete mirror image of the change key. the moon is cut backwards. dont force it most of these locks are missed up because someone forced the wrong change key in
Fortunately the 3330 lock has to be the cheapest place to find a new, disposable wheel pack
Especially during Locktoberfest at Lockmasters, usually
Unfortunately it is not quite a lagard wheel pack. Parts are different.
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:45 pmby jgriner
i had a vault in ky w/your combo pack had always given me problems. after working on it several times ended swapped out the wheels out with the (mickey mouse) wheels, it did mate up after a few modification and for some reason the back cover would not go back on. (it was several years ago) so that combo pack is missing the cover.
later i ended up pulling the complete cover off the back of the vault and discovered that several of the moving bars where badly warped. my best guess was the vault was dropped before install and reskinned.
but the moral of the story is that some of these parts are interchangeable with work. I may have some old pics somewhere.
unrelated to why it has always given me problems this is the combo pack i learned about the reversed change key.
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:09 pmby jgriner
havent found my old lock picture yet, but my first call was combo changes on a lefenburo door, guess what lock it has.
it too also used the reverse change key, so im guessing the reversed key is for 4 wheel locks, where the normal is for the 3 wheel locks.
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:31 pmby Riyame
Interesting, I think I have a diebold change key with a friend in the US that is shaped just like the one on that page.
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:07 amby Intrepid
This is a LaGard lock that was made for Diebold and based on the S&G series of locks, yes I know the part #'s and it says Diebold. I have seen the identical lock with LaGard on it used on a LeFebure door. Diebold and LaGard have a long history as many locks like the 3330 series are private labeled(a sticker nowadays). Diebold has shifted from quality locks that they used to make to the LaGard which fail in a short time but they figure hey, that more money as we get to replace it again and again. As Torontosafecracker stated with the right part #'s for a change key if you don't want to modify a standard one from a 3330 lock. One key thing to note, when inserting the change key, rotate it counter clockwise, opposite of 3330 so when you also notch a 3330 change key, do it on the other side. A lock like this is probably in my opinion more of a collectible and I would not put it in service. My experience with LaGard locks is the engineering and design obsolescent of the lock. I have had 3330 fail in 5 years and I replace them with a much better quality lock for roughly the same cost. I do not like LaGard for many of those reasons and being a mechanical design engineer could write small book on the design problems with there locks.
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:26 pmby Riyame
I managed to find a NOS change key for it. Still trying to find a dial so I can get it mounted to a stand.
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:52 pmby MBI
That's excellent information to update this forum thread, definitely worthy of bumping it up out of the archives.
Thanks for posting, Intrepid.
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:17 amby Oliv
Hi all
Not seen lots of Diebold locks here in Europe.
Any idea which model is it and what is the use of the side scale on this vault lock ?
http://diebolddirect.com/vaultrepairand ... ogram.aspxBest regards
Oliv
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:26 amby MartinHewitt
My guess is that the scales and the tilted like shall make quick dialing easier.
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:21 pmby Riyame
You cannot tell by the dial alone unfortunately.
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:35 amby Jaakko Fagerlund
Yup, the tilted black line is a curve that shows what number you are on or approaching on those side scales, so you don't have to try to read the fuzzy numbers as they sweep by your eyes.
Re: Diebold 4 wheel vault lock. Pics. Any info?
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Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:38 amby Oliv
Thank you all !