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New toy, by Mosler

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GWiens2001

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Post Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:35 pm

New toy, by Mosler

Picked up a new toy today...

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Mosler 302-402 group 1R safe lock!  My first Mosler, and it sure is purty. 

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Thick, very heavy steel body and dial.

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Thought I would up my manipulation game.  

Hand change, some form of plastic wheels so it can't be decoded by x-ray.

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Wait a second...  Those wheels are not exactly round. 

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16 sides on each wheel?!? :shock:  Umm... maybe this is gonna take some time.

Unlike the S&G locks in my collection, the drive cam is closest to the dial.

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Hey... That drive cam's drop in point looks kinda funny.

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Maybe it won't look so bad from another angle.

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Poop.  If anything, it looks worse. :evil:  Two different gate profiles, which overlap a bit.  And is that a spring between those two sections?

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Yep.  Uh-oh.  And the spring allows them to move slightly without the other one being moved. This might be a problem.  What does the nose of the lever that needs to drop into the gate look like?

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Crap!  Two different contact areas at two different heights to contact those two different drive cam gate profiles.  Well, will it make a difference when manipulating the lock?

In both sections' drop in points.  OK, not too bad.

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Errr.  One profile raises higher.

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And higher. ***getting worried now***

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And the other profile kicks in. Well, the other way can't be as bad, can it? 

***please please please***

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Contact.  :-)

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More contact. :?

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And more contact. :-(

And the hand change wheels.  Notice the center circle...

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It is spring loaded, to absorb more feeling.

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Well, once I get this mounted, think this is gonna take a L-O-T of graph paper, and don't think I'll be guessing a combination anytime soon.

This lock may be beautiful, but sure glad it is not on a safe I need to manipulate to get into.  Manipulating this lock won't be easy.  But it is certainly worthy of a nice display case, along the lines of the one I made before. White oak, clear Lexan, and a brass nameplate.

By the way - it ran me $35.  :mrgreen:

Gordon
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Post Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:27 pm

Re: New toy, by Mosler

I've never tried manipulation before but if you could find the center of the flats on each wheel wouldn't you be able to dial all 4096 combinations in 6.25 increments? Sounds like the trick for trying all of the combos on a cheap master padlock.
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Post Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:11 pm

Re: New toy, by Mosler

There are 100 numbers for each wheel, and the 'corners' shadow each other , and the gates, and the drop zones are not symmetrical. 1,000,000 possible combinations, and very very hard to find the gates.

Group 1 locks are supposed to resist expert manipulation for up to 20 hours. And I am not even remotely expert. Think this lock will keep me challenged for a long time to come.

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Post Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:59 am

Re: New toy, by Mosler

easy-e has a point here... You could try and find the centre of a random flat area for each wheel by moving one wheel at a time. then you could manipulate with very little numbers...

Beautiful lock Gordon!

Cheers :)
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Post Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:06 am

Re: New toy, by Mosler

That is a good point. Saves me a little time figuring that out. :) Finding the low spot in the wheel and parking there.

Any bets on whether Oldfast will :offestdiamond: when he sees this post? He has probably seen then before, though. :mrgreen:

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Post Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:54 pm

Re: New toy, by Mosler

Good luck Gordon! that looks like it will be a fun one. Keep us posted.
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Post Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:50 pm

Re: New toy, by Mosler

GWiens2001 wrote:Any bets on whether Oldfast will :offestdiamond: when he sees this post? He has probably seen then before, though. :mrgreen:


lol, why yes I have.... viewtopic.php?p=74892#p74892 Nevertheless, you've succeeded :reach:

The National Locksmith's Guide to Manipulation runs through a manipulation dealing with these wheels,
But maybe the locks were not yet equipped with the shutter driver at that time, as they make no mention of it.
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