Other countries
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:24 am
I find it interesting to look how other countries do. Although I have never been there I think Argentina is an interesting country (due to my interest in hockey). So last night I researched a bit about the safe situation in Argentina. Perhaps other countries will follow, so I gave this thread a more general name.
Now to my observations based on my very basic Spanish skills:
I know from my job, that import and export with Argentina is difficult. It makes it difficult to get stuff from there (anybody here from Argentina who could forward some shirts?) and I think it also an influence on the safe market. First of all I believe the safe lock are locally made where possible. Most key locks have a slightly V-shaped key bit. (A bit like the NATO Mersey lock.) Practically every safe has that type of key lock. It is double bitted and double throw(?). It is probably in the tradition of the Spanish/Italien double bitted locks. I can't find this lock in Spain or Italy, so I presume it is of Argentine origin. I couldn't find any name for this lock. The mechanical combination locks are very often from Rench. In Mark Bates book are three Rench locks, one with manipulation protection unlike every other mechanisms I have seen. I realized only last night that Rench is an Argentine company. Sadly I was not able to find any Rench locks outside Argentina. The new safes are mostly really cheap boxes like these from China, but I believe that many are locally made, because they have this V-lock. The high end safes seem to be more solidly built safes with one or two steel sheets as walls. Can't say if the two-sheet version has filled walls. Gun cabinets are more like the real cheap stuff. A cabinet for rifles can e.g. weigh 40kg. Then there are used safes. They look more solidly built.
Now some links ... (FYI: 1 USD = 38 ARS)
Small cheap safes with V-lock:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... x13-cm-_JM
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... d-fina-_JM
This one has additinally a combination lock, which reminds me of the SERCAS lock:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... x18-13-_JM
Gun cabinet (again with V-lock):
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... -anmac-_JM
A small safe with a direct entry combination lock:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... ortuna-_JM
An older wall safe with V-lock and combination lock:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... hierro-_JM
Don't know if it is a Rench lock or not. Perhaps someone of you is able to find patent 111212. Perhaps on this site:
https://portaltramites.inpi.gob.ar/Home ... nzada.aspx
Some used safes:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... -usada-_JM
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... -60-cm-_JM
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... fuerte-_JM
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... tizada-_JM
A really big one with Rench combination locks and time lock:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... 1800kg-_JM
A really old one:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... ntigua-_JM
Now to my observations based on my very basic Spanish skills:
I know from my job, that import and export with Argentina is difficult. It makes it difficult to get stuff from there (anybody here from Argentina who could forward some shirts?) and I think it also an influence on the safe market. First of all I believe the safe lock are locally made where possible. Most key locks have a slightly V-shaped key bit. (A bit like the NATO Mersey lock.) Practically every safe has that type of key lock. It is double bitted and double throw(?). It is probably in the tradition of the Spanish/Italien double bitted locks. I can't find this lock in Spain or Italy, so I presume it is of Argentine origin. I couldn't find any name for this lock. The mechanical combination locks are very often from Rench. In Mark Bates book are three Rench locks, one with manipulation protection unlike every other mechanisms I have seen. I realized only last night that Rench is an Argentine company. Sadly I was not able to find any Rench locks outside Argentina. The new safes are mostly really cheap boxes like these from China, but I believe that many are locally made, because they have this V-lock. The high end safes seem to be more solidly built safes with one or two steel sheets as walls. Can't say if the two-sheet version has filled walls. Gun cabinets are more like the real cheap stuff. A cabinet for rifles can e.g. weigh 40kg. Then there are used safes. They look more solidly built.
Now some links ... (FYI: 1 USD = 38 ARS)
Small cheap safes with V-lock:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... x13-cm-_JM
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... d-fina-_JM
This one has additinally a combination lock, which reminds me of the SERCAS lock:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... x18-13-_JM
Gun cabinet (again with V-lock):
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... -anmac-_JM
A small safe with a direct entry combination lock:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... ortuna-_JM
An older wall safe with V-lock and combination lock:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... hierro-_JM
Don't know if it is a Rench lock or not. Perhaps someone of you is able to find patent 111212. Perhaps on this site:
https://portaltramites.inpi.gob.ar/Home ... nzada.aspx
Some used safes:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... -usada-_JM
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... -60-cm-_JM
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... fuerte-_JM
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... tizada-_JM
A really big one with Rench combination locks and time lock:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... 1800kg-_JM
A really old one:
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/ML ... ntigua-_JM