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1st Manipulation-Older S&G-Not going well

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Post Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:21 pm

Re: 1st Manipulation-Older S&G-Not going well

Hinges are on the Right hand side of the door.
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Post Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:15 am

Re: 1st Manipulation-Older S&G-Not going well

Okay....so here's what I've been doing.....

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Also, just want to say thanks for all the ideas and suggestions. Especially the ones to start over, and with a real chart. The graphs are much easier to pore over than my charts of little tiny handwritten numbers.
Now if only they meant something to me!
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Post Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:23 am

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I do still see no good gate indication, but the lever is clearly lower now. An interesting spot is IMHO at 95.

Is at 43 the lowest point at the right contact point? Or is that at the same level as 96 and 0? I would try two things:

1) w1@Rsomethinglow, e.g. 43, 78; w3@L90.5; scan w2 arount RIGHT. I.e. dial right until w1 is at 43, then dial left until w2 is at 44. You can then dial w2 right for graphing.

2) Try some other low spots, e.g. R43, R78, to regraph W3/LEFT.
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Post Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:00 am

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I agree with Martin, no good info, but the lever is slowly going down so we're making progress.
Scanning wheel #2 alone RIGHT, since this is the direction you'll ideally dial its number, could finally reveal a gate.

Keep it up :)
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Post Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:46 pm

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At 96 is what my gate signatures look like on my S&G 6730. That deep V . That's what I look for. Wish your left contact would have confirmed it by coming up. Have to say you're putting in a lot of work, Great job.
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Post Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:14 pm

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MartinHewitt wrote:
Is at 43 the lowest point at the right contact point? Or is that at the same level as 96 and 0?


I have 1, 4, 43, 93 & 96 all at the same low spots.
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Post Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:56 pm

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43 has the advantage, that it is (almost) lowest on both contact points. The disadvantage is, that it is just a narrow low point.
78 is not the lowest, but nearly. Its advantage is, that it is wide range you can't really miss.
96 reminds of the kiss of a gate, but the left contact point is rather high and the gap looks rather thin. I am graphing my 6730 with steps of 2.5 and it looks like that, but that means the mountains are in my case 5 numbers apart, not 2. (High and low is meant as dropping of the lever. High means high number on right contact, low number on left contact.)
72 could also be an option.
1 and 4 ... I am not sure. Rather 4 than 1.

So you have now the choice. :)
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:46 am

Re: 1st Manipulation-Older S&G-Not going well

Ok, so I choose 43.
Now I want to run the procedure you suggested.

MartinHewitt wrote:
w1@Rsomethinglow, e.g. 43, 78; w3@L90.5; scan w2 arount RIGHT. I.e. dial right until w1 is at 43, then dial left until w2 is at 44. You can then dial w2 right for graphing.



This is W1@R43; W2 @R Y ("Y" is my variable), but approached from the R; W3@L90.5.

I'm trying to work out the dial spinning, which I believe is as follows:

4x R43 <<<sets all wheels to R43
3x LY+5 (the variable I'm testing + 5 numbers) <<<Leaves W1 @ R43; Moves W2&3 to LY+5
3x RY <<<Moves W2&3 to Y from the R
2xL 90.5 <<<Leaves W2@Y; moves W3 to L90.5

check Contact Areas and then continue with

1xL Y+5 <<< Leaves W1 @R43; moves W2&3 to L Y+5
3xRY <<< moves W2 to Y from the R
2x L90.5 <<<move W3 to L90.5
Check Contact Area

and then repeat from
1xL Y+5

Does that look like the correct dialing for this procedure?
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:17 am

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And here's where we are now.

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The thing at 92 is my charting software - some glitchy thing.
But what about the rest of those numbers!
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:41 am

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I think you got that well. I would do now a scan w3 Left with w1@R43, w2@R5. Maybe we will see this time a gate.
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:26 pm

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Back on page one you had w2 as 6. Kind of nice to be able to look back at your older graphs and compare.
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:27 pm

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As usual I agree with MartinHewitt. Keep it up, wheel #3 is super easy to scan! Now I'm curious to see the graph. And, once you get this open, I'm really curious to see some pictures of the lock with the back cover removed.

One thing that puzzles me is the huge jump at 22 on wheel #2 on the latest graph and a corresponding one at 19-20 on wheel #3 a couple graphs ago. I think this may tell us something about the lock. I wonder if someone with a long experience with this particular lock model may be able to identify it and explain what's going on based on this info.

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Post Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:00 pm

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jharveee wrote:Back on page one you had w2 as 6. Kind of nice to be able to look back at your older graphs and compare.


Yeah, looking back I see I was committed to that L6 on W2. I was kind of blindly stabbing out into the darkness, but it's nice to see that indication still is there.
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:15 pm

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I think your dialing well. Consistent and also complicated stuff.
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Post Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:45 pm

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Ok, here is the latest.

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I'm sure everyone will be pleased to see there is still a spike at 20.
I'm not too excited about 57 - I didn't notice that when I was entering data - it could be a typo though it was followed with odd numbers at 58 & 59 so it could also be legit. I'm going to recheck those numbers when I get back to the dial.

Did I flatten out my low spots by giving up 90.5 on W3?
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