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Post Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:13 am

Re: Getting started with manipulation

You're welcome Alexander_Case. Good luck with your new journey, and let us see your progress...

Cheers :)
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Post Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:41 pm

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Femurat, thank you very much for the write up and link. I am starting to re read everything now that I mounted my lock. I wanted to ask if you have any tips on the mounting. I think I got the job done right but want to make sure before I invest hours as I was already close to that. Good thing I checked the dial before finishing the installation because it was rubbing on the dial ring so I made some adjustments and now everything feels smooth.
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Post Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:43 am

Re: Getting started with manipulation

Well the main thing you need to pay attention to is to center the lock and the dial. Looks like you already know that. If the dial rotates freely, without friction, you're ready to start. This video is very helpful.
Another thing: make sure the lock works. Ask somebody to open it with the correct combo (without telling it to you).

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Post Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:26 pm

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Haha that is the actually video I followed step by step.

I dont have the combo on this S&G and the original owner didnt either. It was a rescue as 2 drilled or burglarized safes were going into the junker. You might have actually seen the thread a few weeks back. The locks do have some wear on them but the internals look intact and clean.
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Post Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:35 pm

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Yep I saw that thread. Well just start dialing then :)
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Post Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:31 pm

Re: Getting started with manipulation

Was taught to manipulate the third wheel on its own first as that is often the first wheel to indicate anyway, then try wheels one and two together and when you have a good indication run the number and work out which of the wheels the number is on . Then you have 2 numbers and it is just a matter of dialling the known numbers and a test on the third until the lock opens.
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Post Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:15 am

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Hi rodneybu0,

that's what I heard in a video about manipulation by Mark Bates some time ago.
To learn manipulation I still suggest to use the method I describe. Once you've got the hang of it every shortcut is welcome.

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Post Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:59 am

Re: Getting started with manipulation

Hello Jerry, let me quote our friend datagram to answer your question

datagram wrote:All of the standard S&G models are good for practice:

S&G 6730/6741 - Three wheel practice locks
S&G 6731 - Four wheel practice lock
S&G 664x - Three wheel practice locks with better gate tolerance
S&G 6630 - Manipulation resistant (false gates) three wheel, but NOT a Group 1, it's a "2M"

LaGard 3330 is another common practice lock, but their other models can be very challenging (they use floating fence & cam mechanisms). The S&G 29xx/84xx/85xx are all Group 1 and manipulation resistant...not good for beginners.

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Hope this helps :)
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Post Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:50 pm

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The 6642 has false gates and the 6630 false gates and a lever nose roller!
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