Re: Another noob pleading for help!
xeo wrote:Did you do what I said? What happened?
Yeah man,I've tried all of the suggestions here.Anyone else want to try it? (Actually,I did get it to open with hard tension,but only once,so I'm guessing luck)
xeo wrote:Did you do what I said? What happened?
Yeah man,I've tried all of the suggestions here.Anyone else want to try it? (Actually,I did get it to open with hard tension,but only once,so I'm guessing luck)
DennisK wrote:[code][/code]xeo wrote:Did you do what I said? What happened?
Yeah man,I've tried all of the suggestions here.Anyone else want to try it? (Actually,I did get it to open with hard tension,but only once,so I'm guessing luck)
Try SPPing it with a rake
xeo wrote:Yeah so then what happened after executing the aforementioned procedure?
DennisK wrote:xeo wrote:Yeah so then what happened after executing the aforementioned procedure?
Well,it felt like I was in the bottom of the keyway.What I mean is,they all felt like they were binding.
xeo wrote:DennisK wrote:xeo wrote:Yeah so then what happened after executing the aforementioned procedure?
Well,it felt like I was in the bottom of the keyway.What I mean is,they all felt like they were binding.
You're doing something wrong then... can you feel the individual pins as you run the pick over them?
xeo wrote:OK, so its really old and rusted. I get what you mean. Try spraying some lube into it? It helps immensely on locks like this.
DennisK wrote:No.It just feels like what you would imagine a rusted shut lock would feel like.Feedback is terrible with this lock.I just can't open it without raking it,which would be ok except this thing is pissing me off!!!
I think I'm just going to try and impression a key for it and call it good.....maybe come back to it when I get better at picking.
HerrMannelig wrote:Feedback of Master Locks of this design is usually not that bad, but the spring on the cylinder is an "extra". The amount of force on the tension is the force which is actually rotating the cylinder, not overcoming the spring. So "light tension" on this would require more force than a lock without a spring. It can take some time to get the tension right and understand the feedback.
Picking a lock without a spring would help. That is what I did when first starting to pick. I had the same SPP issues with a Master Lock (#3) until I learned what to feel for.
fgarci03 wrote:HerrMannelig wrote:Feedback of Master Locks of this design is usually not that bad, but the spring on the cylinder is an "extra". The amount of force on the tension is the force which is actually rotating the cylinder, not overcoming the spring. So "light tension" on this would require more force than a lock without a spring. It can take some time to get the tension right and understand the feedback.
Picking a lock without a spring would help. That is what I did when first starting to pick. I had the same SPP issues with a Master Lock (#3) until I learned what to feel for.
HerrMannelig has raised an interesting issue. I'm not familiar with that model so I don't know if it has a return spring (it's how it's called).
In order for you to test this, just rotate the key and see if there is any spring pressure doing so. If it is absolutely free, then it has no return spring.
If it does have, and to avoid removing it, what you can do is to try to pick it with whatever tension you feel confortable with, and sometimes just apply a little more tension to see if the plug rotates. If not, reduce tension again and keep picking.
If you are able to rake it open, the problem is probably something else, but it's worth to try!
Good luck
HerrMannelig wrote:fgarci03 wrote:HerrMannelig wrote:Feedback of Master Locks of this design is usually not that bad, but the spring on the cylinder is an "extra". The amount of force on the tension is the force which is actually rotating the cylinder, not overcoming the spring. So "light tension" on this would require more force than a lock without a spring. It can take some time to get the tension right and understand the feedback.
Picking a lock without a spring would help. That is what I did when first starting to pick. I had the same SPP issues with a Master Lock (#3) until I learned what to feel for.
HerrMannelig has raised an interesting issue. I'm not familiar with that model so I don't know if it has a return spring (it's how it's called).
In order for you to test this, just rotate the key and see if there is any spring pressure doing so. If it is absolutely free, then it has no return spring.
If it does have, and to avoid removing it, what you can do is to try to pick it with whatever tension you feel confortable with, and sometimes just apply a little more tension to see if the plug rotates. If not, reduce tension again and keep picking.
If you are able to rake it open, the problem is probably something else, but it's worth to try!
Good luck
The Master Lock #1 (and #3, essentially the same lock for picking) have springs.
I have found that varying tension is good for picking these locks. After you set (or attempt to set) pins, you increase tension slightly for a moment.
This video of mine (mostly a camera test) shows the type of lock. This is a #3, but the #1 is the same (with a slightly different sized body and shackle): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BouMcCorEzc
It shows the sort of tension which is most useful for picking this lock.
DennisK wrote:SUCCESS!!!!! Thanks everyone.HerrMannelig,I used the suggestion you mentioned in the text in your video about applying a little more tension after each pin set.Using this method AND slowing down to actually feel what I was doing,I've popped it several times.So I guess it wasn't luck.. Also,it seems the half diamond was more effective for me.
HerrMannelig wrote:DennisK wrote:SUCCESS!!!!! Thanks everyone.HerrMannelig,I used the suggestion you mentioned in the text in your video about applying a little more tension after each pin set.Using this method AND slowing down to actually feel what I was doing,I've popped it several times.So I guess it wasn't luck.. Also,it seems the half diamond was more effective for me.
Hey, I do know what I am talking about it seems All the naysayers can eat crow now.
Congratulations. Once you get it down, it is something which sticks.
Users browsing this forum: No registered users