Re: 24 part video course on lockpicking
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abroxis wrote:As the one who first posted the material I want to say a couple of things.
Many people enjoyed watching the videos. You may consider them clueless idiots but they feel they learned something useful.
Yup, I'm sure they did and that there were valuable contributions within them. Although one does have to have a chuckle at the name of vid# 11..... just sayin.... (Please do not use that as more fodder to fan the flames... it's just funny given the circumstances. As such will be met with repercussions appropriate to the degree of the abuse.)
Towne did a lot of work at the NDE magazine, talked at conferences , and did a lot of training sessions with a lot of people and many people appreciated what he gave to the locksport community.
Yes, he did, no doubt about it.
YES, he really screwed up with Kickstarter but to totally ignore a lot of the good work he did before that seems unfair.
As much as his Kickstarter screwup blackened the image of locksports I believe that the vitriolic attacks and exaggerations show too many members of the locksport community to be mean spirited petty assholes.
Being foolish and totally ignorant about business , handling large sums of money responsibility and the fabrication of lock picks does not make Towne a crook out to scam every one. It makes him a bad businessman and ignorant . Was he ever charged with fraud? Its not uncommon that venture capital includes a provision for some personal living expenses. Does Kickstarter specifically prohibit doing this.
Like I said about why I didn't invest... some kid being handed a ton of cash... not always the best mix. Also, if noone brought it to the attention of the proper authorities or perhaps if the kickstarter donation agreement precluded such, then it would be clear as to why not.
I wonder if some of the comments made about Towne may even been actionable and I hope this site or members doesn't get sued .
Unlikely as all the ones specifically about him have at least some truth in them and truth is the ultimat defense against libel/slander suits.
A lot of lawyers might take cases like this on spec.
Hey he might be able to pay back one or two people who lost money.
darkhorse wrote:after watching this thread from a distance I am a little dissapointed at the way members are having a go at each other and other forums...As a mod on another lock forum over the pond I would find it unacceptable for this behaviour to flourish....I dont know this tyler bloke but do know from comments that he has a lot to answer for...My question would be for the man himself to be invited to fight his own corner publicly instead of good members fighting each other..The quality of membership on here is globally renown so please respect each other and the fantastic work you all do as a whole....
...rant over and best wishes
MBI wrote:Piotr, I believe your accusations have crossed a line.
You are looking at lp101 from a perspective that is largely from the outside.
Based on that perspective, you seem to be assuming a certain intent on the part of those who use and run the site.
I believe your assumption to be largely incorrect.
MBI wrote:I can tell you from that inside perspective, that I see no evidence in the moderator forum or any of the phpbb logs of any coverup in regards to Schuyler and his Kickstarter. There are no deleted threads, no gag orders.
MBI wrote:It's a giant black mark on a group of people who are already viewed askance by society at large.
MBI wrote:As far as I can recall, there has been no public statement on lp101 disavowing Schuyler and his Kickstarter.
Just as if you had a close relative who had been accused or convicted of some heinous crime, I imagine you'd be embarrassed about it too, and probably avoid the subject.
MBI wrote:Like it or not, there will always be fans who will defend Schuyler and his intentions, but I don't believe it's an organized coverup.
MacGyver101 wrote:Just my $0.02, but I'm tired of seeing every thread that could possibly be related to LP101 in some vague way turned into a bunch of unprovoked, vitriol-filled posts and personal attacks from one particular member here.
elbowmacaroni wrote:Wow... wow... wow...
Holy shit even... Piotr calm down bro. It's pointless at this juncture to keep the topic of Shyster Towne alive, everyone knows what happened.
elbowmacaroni wrote:Piotr, you've been around here for a while now and you're a decent guy, but if you keep going on tirades about this, and especially about lp101 and some conspiracy and attacking people there or here personally, then we will have to take some kind of action to be determined upon such an event occurring.
abroxis wrote:As much as his Kickstarter screwup blackened the image of locksports I believe that the vitriolic attacks and exaggerations show too many members of the locksport community to be mean spirited petty assholes.
MacGyver101 wrote:Just my $0.02
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