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For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:11 pm
by locksmithsg
What are your current lockpick skill sets that you currently use?
I tend to use my electric pick a lot but I foresee myself using Bump Keys and also impressioning to unlock doors.

For me speed is critical though I take pride and satisfaction from SPP.

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:21 pm
by pagedeveloper
Not currently a locksmith, but playing with it. I like to use the old style of :prybar: :offestdiamond: as tool to learn. I think that the quick tools are good, but if you can not do things with old style, then you are limiting yourself and skill set.

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:27 pm
by locksmithsg
pagedeveloper wrote:Not currently a locksmith, but playing with it. I like to use the old style of :prybar: :offestdiamond: as tool to learn. I think that the quick tools are good, but if you can not do things with old style, then you are limiting yourself and skill set.


I totally agree that old style is good. But at least where I am located, clients pay for results and not for efforts, which basically means i need to get the job done as fast as possible. And that means opening the lock and getting the client into the house.

The end justifies the means, I guess.

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:49 am
by DIY Dave
If you look around, I know there is another thread that discussed this.

My normal routine is pick, pick gun, bypass, bump. Ill try each for a minute or so, before moving on to the next. Last resort is drill, which I don't do often. Its good to know how to SPP and practice that, but if its O degrees and you can't feel your hands its just about useless

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:36 pm
by Farmerfreak
For house lockouts I SPP everything except kwikset smartkey. For those I use a decoder and cut a key because I can, and it's faster than having a conversation about how the lock needs to be replaced.

I do have a pick gun, somewhere, I think at the bottom of a tool box. Haven't used it in years.

Businesses sometimes have locks that I won't bother trying to pick. For example, keymark IC, some you can reasonably get picks in, some you can't. Then I look for other options, under the door tools etc..

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:54 pm
by RubberBanned
For me, the first thing I do is pick, then impression. I'll occasionally use bump keys, pick gun, etc. I usually won't use bump keys if they ask about them though. I have a pick gun and electric guns, but they hardly see use. A bogota hasn't ever really failed me when the chips are down and I often wear thick gloves on lockouts. Automotive I'll even try to pick the door if I have requisite picks. I think picking has been my go to for so long that it feels foreign to do anything else.

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:13 pm
by mdc5150
First things first lubricate. I like a spray with PTFE in it so some of the debris and dirt gets washed out at the same time. Then I rake, bump, sometimes SPP depending on the circumstances.

About a year ago I got to go on several surreptitious search warrants with a police task force. I would pick and they would watch my back. Once open they would do their thing inside and I would lock the place back up. The most important thing for them was to leave no trace. I had to bump a couple of the locks but that was a last resort in this case. As fun as it sounds it was terribly boring sitting around waiting for them to do what they had to do.

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:33 pm
by locksmithsg
mdc5150 wrote:First things first lubricate. I like a spray with PTFE in it so some of the debris and dirt gets washed out at the same time. Then I rake, bump, sometimes SPP depending on the circumstances.

About a year ago I got to go on several surreptitious search warrants with a police task force. I would pick and they would watch my back. Once open they would do their thing inside and I would lock the place back up. The most important thing for them was to leave no trace. I had to bump a couple of the locks but that was a last resort in this case. As fun as it sounds it was terribly boring sitting around waiting for them to do what they had to do.


Yeah using a spray to get the debris and dirt out helps a lot. Good tip!

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:36 pm
by locksmithsg
RubberBanned wrote:For me, the first thing I do is pick, then impression. I'll occasionally use bump keys, pick gun, etc. I usually won't use bump keys if they ask about them though. I have a pick gun and electric guns, but they hardly see use. A bogota hasn't ever really failed me when the chips are down and I often wear thick gloves on lockouts. Automotive I'll even try to pick the door if I have requisite picks. I think picking has been my go to for so long that it feels foreign to do anything else.


How fast do you do impression on the field?
I use my electric gun more than SPP to be honest.

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:19 pm
by huxleypig
Rake, pick then EPG. EPG is a Godsend in the field.

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:42 am
by locksmithsg
huxleypig wrote:Rake, pick then EPG. EPG is a Godsend in the field.


Yep. EPG is a godsend. But I normally would reverse it with EPG being first

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:29 am
by mastersmith
SPP then pick gun. I have an EPG but never got comfortable (ie:good) with it ;) I probably haven't given it a fair shake, but my success rate is very high with what I use so I may never work at it. I've seen the abuse the pins sustain with an EPG, it kind of turned me off to using one.

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:35 pm
by blocke0311
First thing I ever do is get the customers key and try it myself. Here on base there are old buildings with shifting foundations and sometimes its just a matter of the strike actually sitting on the strike plate and not allowing the key to unlock it. If it doesn't seem like the issue is with the door I always try SPP :tension: :halfdiamond: before EPG or bumping because those can cause damage to the locks pins and springs. If its possible I use a under the door tool first but that isn't always a possibility. The only time I've used impressioning is when they've lost the key or I can pull the trim and bring the lock to the shop.

Beau