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For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

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locksmithsg

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Post Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:11 pm

For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

What are your current lockpick skill sets that you currently use?
I tend to use my electric pick a lot but I foresee myself using Bump Keys and also impressioning to unlock doors.

For me speed is critical though I take pride and satisfaction from SPP.
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Post Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:21 pm

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

Not currently a locksmith, but playing with it. I like to use the old style of :prybar: :offestdiamond: as tool to learn. I think that the quick tools are good, but if you can not do things with old style, then you are limiting yourself and skill set.
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Post Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:27 pm

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

pagedeveloper wrote:Not currently a locksmith, but playing with it. I like to use the old style of :prybar: :offestdiamond: as tool to learn. I think that the quick tools are good, but if you can not do things with old style, then you are limiting yourself and skill set.


I totally agree that old style is good. But at least where I am located, clients pay for results and not for efforts, which basically means i need to get the job done as fast as possible. And that means opening the lock and getting the client into the house.

The end justifies the means, I guess.
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Post Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:49 am

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

If you look around, I know there is another thread that discussed this.

My normal routine is pick, pick gun, bypass, bump. Ill try each for a minute or so, before moving on to the next. Last resort is drill, which I don't do often. Its good to know how to SPP and practice that, but if its O degrees and you can't feel your hands its just about useless
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Post Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:36 pm

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

For house lockouts I SPP everything except kwikset smartkey. For those I use a decoder and cut a key because I can, and it's faster than having a conversation about how the lock needs to be replaced.

I do have a pick gun, somewhere, I think at the bottom of a tool box. Haven't used it in years.

Businesses sometimes have locks that I won't bother trying to pick. For example, keymark IC, some you can reasonably get picks in, some you can't. Then I look for other options, under the door tools etc..
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Post Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:54 pm

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

For me, the first thing I do is pick, then impression. I'll occasionally use bump keys, pick gun, etc. I usually won't use bump keys if they ask about them though. I have a pick gun and electric guns, but they hardly see use. A bogota hasn't ever really failed me when the chips are down and I often wear thick gloves on lockouts. Automotive I'll even try to pick the door if I have requisite picks. I think picking has been my go to for so long that it feels foreign to do anything else.
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Post Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:13 pm

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

First things first lubricate. I like a spray with PTFE in it so some of the debris and dirt gets washed out at the same time. Then I rake, bump, sometimes SPP depending on the circumstances.

About a year ago I got to go on several surreptitious search warrants with a police task force. I would pick and they would watch my back. Once open they would do their thing inside and I would lock the place back up. The most important thing for them was to leave no trace. I had to bump a couple of the locks but that was a last resort in this case. As fun as it sounds it was terribly boring sitting around waiting for them to do what they had to do.
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Post Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:33 pm

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

mdc5150 wrote:First things first lubricate. I like a spray with PTFE in it so some of the debris and dirt gets washed out at the same time. Then I rake, bump, sometimes SPP depending on the circumstances.

About a year ago I got to go on several surreptitious search warrants with a police task force. I would pick and they would watch my back. Once open they would do their thing inside and I would lock the place back up. The most important thing for them was to leave no trace. I had to bump a couple of the locks but that was a last resort in this case. As fun as it sounds it was terribly boring sitting around waiting for them to do what they had to do.


Yeah using a spray to get the debris and dirt out helps a lot. Good tip!
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Post Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:36 pm

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

RubberBanned wrote:For me, the first thing I do is pick, then impression. I'll occasionally use bump keys, pick gun, etc. I usually won't use bump keys if they ask about them though. I have a pick gun and electric guns, but they hardly see use. A bogota hasn't ever really failed me when the chips are down and I often wear thick gloves on lockouts. Automotive I'll even try to pick the door if I have requisite picks. I think picking has been my go to for so long that it feels foreign to do anything else.


How fast do you do impression on the field?
I use my electric gun more than SPP to be honest.
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Post Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:19 pm

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

Rake, pick then EPG. EPG is a Godsend in the field.
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locksmithsg

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Post Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:42 am

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huxleypig wrote:Rake, pick then EPG. EPG is a Godsend in the field.


Yep. EPG is a godsend. But I normally would reverse it with EPG being first
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Post Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:29 am

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

SPP then pick gun. I have an EPG but never got comfortable (ie:good) with it ;) I probably haven't given it a fair shake, but my success rate is very high with what I use so I may never work at it. I've seen the abuse the pins sustain with an EPG, it kind of turned me off to using one.
"All ye who come this art to see / to handle anything must cautious be...." Benjamin Franklin
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Post Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:35 pm

Re: For Current Locksmiths...what is your poison

First thing I ever do is get the customers key and try it myself. Here on base there are old buildings with shifting foundations and sometimes its just a matter of the strike actually sitting on the strike plate and not allowing the key to unlock it. If it doesn't seem like the issue is with the door I always try SPP :tension: :halfdiamond: before EPG or bumping because those can cause damage to the locks pins and springs. If its possible I use a under the door tool first but that isn't always a possibility. The only time I've used impressioning is when they've lost the key or I can pull the trim and bring the lock to the shop.

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