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A one way cylinder.

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Altashot

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Post Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:13 pm

A one way cylinder.

Another fun and easy mod.
This one I actually used on a Liquor Store.
The late night employee was known to lock up the store at closing time,
but sometimes returned and unlocked the store in the middle of the night...
...Apparently, he drank a lot, and when he'd run out, he'd open the store to get more.
Sometimes he would even let his friends come in.
This was a big concern for the owner, here, it is against the law to open the store between certain
hours. This had to stop.
I made a one way cylinder, one key turns to lock and unlock and the other key can only lock. It will not turn the other way.
In the morning, the owner uses his key to unlock the store and at night, the employee uses his to lock up.
Here's how I did it.

Here I took a standard Schlage KIK.

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I carefully filed the plug like this.
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Then, I took one original key and code cut one with one cut different.
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The 2 keys stacked for comparison.
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Now, I need to pin the cylider properly for this to work, so look at the chart below.
Top line is how it is pinned and the 2 other lines are the bitting of the 2 keys.
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This may seem odd but look closely.
With the clerk's key inserted, you can see that it can only turn clockwise, or to the lock position only.
The cylinder cannot be turned the other way because the top pin won't skip over that step.
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Now, the manager must be able to use his key to lock or unlock the store.
Again look closely how the manager's key lift the 3rd pin.
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Now it may not seem like this would work well, but it does.
The trick is in the top pin. I used a bottom pin as a top pin but used it upside down
so that the pointy tip can ride over the steps. Of course it's impossible to see this
when assembled so I mocked it for show.
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There you have it!
Simple.
It feels a little "clicky" as you turn the key past the shear line but still operates well.
I chose the 3rd chamber but it can be done with any of them and to more than one if desired.
It can be done to 2 chambers and the opposite way. I key can only lock, one key can only unlock and one key
can do both...I don't know what the point would be or where it could be used but eh!
It's fun to do, so, why not?

Have fun making your own!
Always opened for discussion.

M.
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Post Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:16 pm

Re: A one way cylinder.

Interesting project. I have a couple of Alboy protec cylinders that are made to do that but I have never seen it done with a pin tumbler before.
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Post Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:57 pm

Re: A one way cylinder.

That's great! Thanks for sharing.

So on the manager's key: I notice it doesn't bring the key pin quite flush with the cylinder.
If you had made it so that the key pin was brought flush, there would be too much of a
'step' and the driver would get hung up when turning counter-clockwise. Is that right?

I'm just trying to play this through in my head. So the manager would have no problem
throwing the bolt and locking the door (clockwise). But the hang up would occur when
he turned counter-clockwise to get back to the starting position to remove his key.

So you've kinda 'spit the difference', bringing the key pin just below the shearline so
there's two small steps rather than one drastic step. And the addition of the pointed
key pin as a driver allows a smoother transition as it rides over the filed area, then
up onto the key pin, and finally onto the cylinder.

Sorry if I've just re-worded what you've already shown, lol. But without actually
attempting this, I just have a hard time visualizing some of the problems that
would occur if not done correctly. So am I thinking this through right?

Brilliant work Alta. A simple (yet not so obvious) way of solving a problem!!
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Post Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:00 am

Re: A one way cylinder.

I remember Schuyler doing this a few years back, I don't he used it in anything, but showed the pics of the same mod idea.

The idea is that in some stores one clerk opens the store in the morning, one closes in the evening and the manager needs both functions. This way the opener can't close it and the closer can't open it, but this all assumes that the manager/owner is trustworthy for this system to "prove" anything.

With an Abloy that is easy, doesn't even require any hacking, just basic components.
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Post Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:28 am

Re: A one way cylinder.

Clever.

Very clever. Nice work, and thanks for sharing, especially with the extra photos.
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Post Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:15 am

Re: A one way cylinder.

Thanks Guys!

That's right Oldfast, split the difference, 2 steps.
You got it!

Also notice that the clerk's key is cut one increment below the new shear line, it's to
assure that the top will not skip over the 1 big step.

M.
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Post Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:23 pm

Re: A one way cylinder.

Altashot wrote:...Also notice that the clerk's key is cut one increment below the new shear line, it's to
assure that the top will not skip over the 1 big step.

Ah yes, I did not notice that. Ok, so 1 inc below the newly created shearline.
Should I ever try this you've definitely saved me from some learning pains :D
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Post Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:11 pm

Re: A one way cylinder.

This is a really old locksmith trick but one that I haven't usually seen taught in classes or courses. Definitely worth posting to help reawaken the knowledge for more locksmiths. Thanks for the write-up and good quality pictures to illustrate how you did it. Did you read about it somewhere or is your own ingenuity in overdrive this week?
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Post Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:35 pm

Re: A one way cylinder.

MBI, it's a mix of both, I read that it was possible but I hadn't seen any pictures or anything,
so I though about it, and made it the only way I could think of.

I guess you could say that it was educated ingenuity.

M.
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Post Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:53 am

Re: A one way cylinder.

Am I the only one that can't see the pictures in this thread? I see a "no entry" sign, something like (-).
Never had problems with your pictures in the past.

Cheers :)
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Post Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:05 am

Re: A one way cylinder.

femurat wrote:Am I the only one that can't see the pictures in this thread? I see a "no entry" sign, something like (-).
Never had problems with your pictures in the past.

Cheers :)


I cant see it either.
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Post Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:07 pm

Re: A one way cylinder.

Me neither :(
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Post Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:46 pm

Re: A one way cylinder.

I could see them a day or two ago, but now the links are dead to me too :(
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Post Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:08 pm

Re: A one way cylinder.

Same.

This is why I recommend that if you're making a thread with pics, go ahead and upload the pics into the thread directly on our server. It helps prevent the problem of broken picture links.
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Post Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:26 pm

Re: A one way cylinder.

Damn Korver, dont you care about our time and feelings? haha just joking but I really want to see the pics.
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