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Post Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:19 pm

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I just wanted to share some updates. I recently purchased two of the books Jeff recommended. I bought the National Locksmith SFIC: Advanced and also the one written by Don O Shall. Fun Fact:I bought it directly from Mr. O Shall off of ebay. I also managed to track down my own Best Lock Combinator (AD432) in M Keyway and also a Capping Press.

Then today I spent a few minutes picking on one of my many Best Lock padlocks, and managed to pick a core out. I have only the master keys for these locks (13 total) so hopefully they share common control keys. Im very excited about this!

Hopefully after a lot more practice, I will be able to start a small profitable operation.

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Post Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:20 pm

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Actually, it looks like 14 total ;)
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Post Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:29 am

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Yeah! Nice job! My book also came directly from Don on eBay.
macgng: i just thought the cat was a real tiny bear
GWiens2001: Great video! Learned a lot about what fun can be had with a forklift and a chainsaw.
pmaxey83: but i first have to submit the proper forms for a new hobby to my wife
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Post Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:43 am

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My simple set up, ready to decode the core. I only need the top pins so I can decode the control key.

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Heres the pin book. Look at those master pins! Its a miracle I picked it to control! I like to remove the caps and springs and separate the top pins from the rest of the stacks. That way I can easily grab the top pins with my caliper and get quick measurements.

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Here what the key cut codes look like. You measure the top pins in each pin stack and match it with a pin id#. Then you subtract the pin id# from 13 and that gives you the key cut depth number.

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Heres what the keys look like. Luckily, the control key works for every core!

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This one is for you Jeff. Jeff corrected me. I thought I had M keyway cores because of the marking of the keys, but he noticed the key way was open enough "to drive a truck through." Thanks Jeff ;)

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Post Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:35 pm

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A lot of times when you have customers using stuff like WD40 in sfic cores the core will be very hard to pull out. Even when you drill the core it will not pull. So I will often use a self tapping screw and drive it into the keyway. It spins it in the right direction then you can grab the screw with vice grips and pull it out.
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Post Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:00 am

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Good tip, MDC. :D

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Post Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:18 pm

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Below is a pinning chart that would go with a 2 step master key system. The last 3 chambers are the chambers you would progress on a single page so they are written out with all the pinning you would need for any combination on that page. It saves you an enormous amount of time. Normally I have them printed out from a computer but I didn't want to show any customers files obviously.
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Post Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:46 pm

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I love this stuff. Master pinning three chambers makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the chart visual aid!
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Post Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:06 pm

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That's some fine fun work you doing there mister sour, I'm interested in seeing how things go for ya. Best locks are fun as hell to pick, one of my favorites :)
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Post Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:31 am

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I just wanted to share a little about my progress. I made a trade with subsonic, a member here. He sent me 22 Best Lock "G" kwy cylinders with NO keys. AWESOME! Thanks so much for the locks! They all were easy to pick and it was evident that they were master keyed. It started to irritate me. I wanted to know what the master key was. So my trip began!
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These were the first two cores I randomly selected. I dumped them into my lab annex and meticulously measured each pin and charted the pin id number codes. To the right u can see where I was about to run through all possible key cut combos, but I thought that would be a waste of time.
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Here I took a core that belonged to a different sub system. This is where I found my code. This is untested however. I dont have the blanks to cut ad to test the code but im sure this is it. Its circled, just like the control code.
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This is possibly my most important tool. It precisely measures the pins so I know what to cut the keys too and so I can track pin code patterns. Obviously, its a manual dial caliper.
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Heres my set up. I have a vintage capping press and my vintage Keymak (pre-ProLok) Punch. They are my favorite tools. Riyame has a Best Lock combinator here. I havenone too but mine is out of calibration.
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Once I get my G blanks, I will be sure to update this and let everyone know if I found the master key, or grand master key rather.
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Post Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:02 am

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Very cool Sour! Props to ya for tackling Best. Honestly, that shit really confuses me. lol
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Post Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:59 am

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Nice setup!!
macgng: i just thought the cat was a real tiny bear
GWiens2001: Great video! Learned a lot about what fun can be had with a forklift and a chainsaw.
pmaxey83: but i first have to submit the proper forms for a new hobby to my wife
xeo: i root for the kernel
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Post Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:55 pm

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Quote "He sent me 22 Best Lock "G" kwy cylinders with NO keys. AWESOME! Thanks so much for the locks! They all were easy to pick "

DAM !!!!

Oldfast kindly :twisted: sent me one with key and it has been driving me nuts ever since. :slam: :slam:

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You may find some BEST locks:

- Pick very easily to operating, control seems impossible
- Pick very easily to control, operating seems impossible
- Pick easily to operating CCW and easily to control CW
- Pick easily to operating both CW and CCW, control seems impossible
- Feel like you're endlessly setting pins and getting nowhere fast"

I've definitely got one of the last !!!! Getting nowhere forever !!! :hammering:

What's your secret? Magic pick?? :D

Very jealous and hats off to you. :salute:

Well done.

PS. They are quite rare down here and this is the only one I've ever got my hands on.
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Post Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:53 pm

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I love the vise! Can't read the name but it looks like a Wilton knock-off.
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Post Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:22 pm

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escher7 wrote:I love the vise! Can't read the name but it looks like a Wilton knock-off.

Thats a Master Force vise. Got it from Menards.
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