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Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:14 am
by Korver15
So I have recently acquired a bilock, and I'm wondering how/what other people have use d to pick them. I feel like one could almost use dimple picks since the pins go so low into the key way.

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:21 am
by MBI
Farmerfreak is the first person I know of to have blind picked a factory pinned, new generation BiLock. I took a video of him doing it, then promptly lost my video camera after that. But as I recall he just used a smooth looking and nicely sanded hook pick. It looked like he needed to do a little twisting to get the pick up into the vertical channels as he got towards the back pins. Hopefully he'll see this thread and chime in with some better info.

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:42 am
by Neilau
Never picked one myself but I am interested in knowing what type of torsion tool to use.

I have heard that the little tab between the two channels is very easy to break. Particularly when using a regular torsion tool.

After a V10 it should be easy. :D

I'll follow this thread with interest.

Best of luck.

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:12 am
by MBI
Neilau wrote:Never picked one myself but I am interested in knowing what type of torsion tool to use.

I have heard that the little tab between the two channels is very easy to break. Particularly when using a regular torsion tool.

I started writing a reply then remembered that I made a thread back when he first picked a BiLock. That first day he used regular tension wrenches. Before I left I loaned him all my BiLocks to practice with. He made a custom tension tool to distribute the force against the OUTER sides of the keyway to avoid breaking the center part of the faceplate of the lock. I posted a simple diagram of his tension tool which I drew in Paint. I just moved that thread from the general "lockpicking" subforum into this "BiLock" forum where it belongs:

viewtopic.php?f=94&t=5630

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:18 am
by rerun12
Great info there MBI, as always, thanks for sharing. I've always wanted to get my hands on a bilock. If anyone would like to trade one I would gladly send a greater value in exchange. I'd order one from Security Snobs but last I checked they charge ~$20 for shipping one lock :???:

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:40 pm
by aeporia
Have poured circa 10 hours into two of my BiLocks, and have stepped away from them since. Closest I’ve gotten is hearing a whooooole lot of stuff fall back down; I still can’t discern true gates from false gates properly.

Other than that, I’ll just leave this here: http://lockpickingforensics.com/articles/bilock.pdf

[courtesy of datagram]

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:37 pm
by LocksportSouth
I'd like to get a BiLock, too. The lead I had before was a bit of a dead end, although I know SecuritySnobs do them for crazy cash. Might just have to bite the bullet and save up for a SecuritySnobs one

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:58 pm
by oldlock
I've got a number of new Bilock camlocks. Slightly different in that that have the staggered rows of pins. A true picking challenge as no master pins in them. Postage to the US is always going to be the expensive bit unless someone does a bulk buy and then redistributes ?

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:38 pm
by Farmerfreak
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Note that it is not an HPC pick, I placed an HPC handle onto that pick.

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:20 am
by aeporia
LocksportSouth wrote:I'd like to get a BiLock, too. The lead I had before was a bit of a dead end, although I know SecuritySnobs do them for crazy cash. Might just have to bite the bullet and save up for a SecuritySnobs one


They’re fairly pricey even here in Aus, and only sold by participating locksmiths. Therefore, when I wanted one of my first BiLocks w/o paying full retail price through a ’smith I actually ended up acquiring mine via the US through SecSnobs: check their large lot (used) page every other week — if I recall correctly I paid something like 35 USD + shipping for it — it came in a KiK format.

My other BiLock came as a challenge/gift from a buddy here who outfits them for a local power company, alas keyless. (;

@farmerfreak: far out mate, I bow down before thee. Nice tensioning tool too — I think I remember seeing that in the other thread.

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:45 am
by natas2000
Farmerfreak is that a true Bilock padlock in the photo? Im having a hard time seeing it well but that looks like one set of pins doesnt Bilock have 2 rows?

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:16 am
by aeporia
natas2000 wrote:Farmerfreak is that a true Bilock padlock in the photo? Im having a hard time seeing it well but that looks like one set of pins doesnt Bilock have 2 rows?


What you’re seeing is the single 13th front-center pin on the NG series. Given the angle the photo is taken at the two banks of pins are hidden in the shadows. If you grab a copy of the image and use a 2D image editor and muck around with the filters or shadows you should just be able to make out the ‘left’ bank of pins.

tl;dr very much looks like a proper BiLock NG.

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:08 pm
by DroppedTensionWrench
Interesting Bilock claims pick proof on this website http://www.bilock.com/pickbumpproof.html

For some reason I hear Ricky Ricardo saying "Bilock you got some splaining to do!"

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:54 pm
by aeporia
DroppedTensionWrench wrote:Interesting Bilock claims pick proof on this website http://www.bilock.com/pickbumpproof.html


Yea, it’s been an ongoing claim — much like those from Medeco a while back — and disproven multiple times on camera, with full on-screen guttings. They’ve got a lot going for them, but the claim is still BS. :/

Re: Picking a bilock

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:27 pm
by MBI
aeporia wrote:... tl;dr very much looks like a proper BiLock NG.


Yeah, that's what it is. I got that padlock directly from a BiLock dealer, it's the first one Farmerfreak picked.