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Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:42 am
by HT4
Anyone see a problem? Video to follow.

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Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:43 am
by Riyame
No holes in the pins

Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:15 am
by HT4

Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:08 pm
by lockpicker
Those are master pins. They don't have inner pins
This lock is been repinned as some keys are the old systems and not interactive plus

Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:18 pm
by rerun12
good ole' ebay...im sure their service department will sort things out post haste :rant:

Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:36 pm
by DroppedTensionWrench
HT4 was that a Benchmade you used to open it with?

Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:31 am
by HT4
DroppedTensionWrench wrote:HT4 was that a Benchmade you used to open it with?


Good eye. Yes sir, it is. Benchmade Valet. My EDC.

Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:29 pm
by Papa Gleb
HT, I can help you fix this problem if your interested.

And to be honest, those do NOT look like master pins to me. First off they are way too big to be master pins and why are they ends pointy? Those look like MTL 7x7 key pins which is MLTs line of none pin-in-pin 7 pin locks

Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:58 pm
by HT4
Papa Gleb wrote:HT, I can help you fix this problem if your interested.

And to be honest, those do NOT look like master pins to me. First off they are way too big to be master pins and why are they ends pointy? Those look like MTL 7x7 key pins which is MLTs line of none pin-in-pin 7 pin locks


I could definitely use some help here... what did you have in mind? Do you know someone with a MTL pin kit?

Re: master pins... I agree with you. I don't know too much about MTLs, but there is a BB video in which he guts a MTL that had traditionally thin master wafers (donuts?) and inner pins...

Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:12 pm
by Papa Gleb
Yes, my locksmith buddy has a pinning kit. Send it over and Ill repin it with true pin-in-pin pins.

You are right, MTLs master pins are thin donuts however I have seen standard wafers used a master pins w/o the center holes on a video. Forgot whos video that was but after some brainstorming, its either the 7x7 or MLTs old old old original pins.

Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:02 pm
by HT4
Papa Gleb wrote:Yes, my locksmith buddy has a pinning kit. Send it over and Ill repin it with true pin-in-pin pins.

You are right, MTLs master pins are thin donuts however I have seen standard wafers used a master pins w/o the center holes on a video. Forgot whos video that was but after some brainstorming, its either the 7x7 or MLTs old old old original pins.


Thank you very much... I will definitely include it in my next package to you. :hbg:

In comments to my YT video, l0ckcr4ck3r had another idea. He said they might be pins designed and made by MTL to defeat the inner pin over lift attack, but they were only supposed to be used in one chamber... not all five.

Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:45 pm
by Papa Gleb
All good ideas but we will never know the truth but who cares at this point. ill pin this baby up proper and can even change the tops pins for you. For something a bit more interesting or rather different because those spools look like fun too.

Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:09 pm
by lockpicker
Those are master pins alright.

Nice picking BTW but it would be a lot difficult to pick the normal pins

If you put them on the plug you might find that you don't get a sheer line..

Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:28 pm
by Papa Gleb
What kind of master pins are those? They defeat the entire pin-in-pin technology? I seen MTL master pins and they are like donuts. HT picked a few of the pin-in-pin locks, check his youtube thread.

What do you mean it wont make a shear line? how does the plug turn then? HT for the experiment, pin the plug and take a pic please. Very curious to see what he means.

Re: Defective MTL eBay Purchase

PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:58 pm
by HT4
lockpicker wrote:Those are master pins alright.

Nice picking BTW but it would be a lot difficult to pick the normal pins

If you put them on the plug you might find that you don't get a sheer line..


You have me confused on two fronts:

1 - I'm not sure that I follow you when you say that they are master pins... I see that you are from Israel. I wonder if there is a terminology disconnect. When you say a lock is master pinned to me, that usually denotes a lock that has multiple shear lines in at least one pin stack such that the lock will work with more than one key. This is usually accomplished by insertion of wafers between the key pins and driver pins. That's definitely not the case here.

2 - I definitely get a shear line. If you watch the video, you will see that I operated the lock when I took it out of the box/bag, and I later used the key to gut it. How could I have done that without the pins making a shear line? You can see the shear line clearly in the video when I pull the plug and say "something is very wrong here." Can you explain what you mean here?