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Post Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:49 pm

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in one of my Locksmith Books on High Security Locks


Did you write a locksmith book?

Where might one buy this book?
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Post Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:10 pm

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No, that is just a locksmith book by Bill Phillips.
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Post Fri May 03, 2013 4:05 am

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Your follow-up on the cuts is exactly what I have been looking for. I wanted Tobias' book "Open in Thirty Seconds" but his prices are insane and I can't find an "online" copy. Now if someone would only sell the keys.
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Post Fri May 03, 2013 4:12 am

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escher7 wrote:Your follow-up on the cuts is exactly what I have been looking for. I wanted Tobias' book "Open in Thirty Seconds" but his prices are insane and I can't find an "online" copy. Now if someone would only sell the keys.

Tobias has now patented the code setting keys, so I don't imagine you'll see anyone selling commercial sets until after that patent expires.
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Post Fri May 03, 2013 11:27 am

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MBI wrote:
escher7 wrote:Your follow-up on the cuts is exactly what I have been looking for. I wanted Tobias' book "Open in Thirty Seconds" but his prices are insane and I can't find an "online" copy. Now if someone would only sell the keys.

Tobias has now patented the code setting keys, so I don't imagine you'll see anyone selling commercial sets until after that patent expires.


I am not sure how what is essentially a key to Medeco locks is patentable, but then if Medeco hasn't challenged it he might have something. Then again, why would he patent it unless he wanted to sell them. Based on his book prices, I sense that making money is one of his objectives. The next best thing would be an expansion of the above article to a precise diagram, but now that I think about it, maybe it is in his patent application. I will see if I can find it.
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Post Fri May 03, 2013 11:43 am

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escher7 wrote:
MBI wrote:
escher7 wrote:Your follow-up on the cuts is exactly what I have been looking for. I wanted Tobias' book "Open in Thirty Seconds" but his prices are insane and I can't find an "online" copy. Now if someone would only sell the keys.

Tobias has now patented the code setting keys, so I don't imagine you'll see anyone selling commercial sets until after that patent expires.


I am not sure how what is essentially a key to Medeco locks is patentable, but then if Medeco hasn't challenged it he might have something. Then again, why would he patent it unless he wanted to sell them. Based on his book prices, I sense that making money is one of his objectives. The next best thing would be an expansion of the above article to a precise diagram, but now that I think about it, maybe it is in his patent application. I will see if I can find it.


Follow-up: Here is the link for the Tobias Patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... =PTXT&s1=("medeco+lock".BSUM.+or+"medeco+lock".DETD.+or+"medeco+lock".DRWD.)&OS=SPEC/"medeco+lock"&RS=SPEC/"medeco+lock"

I wasn't able to get the drawings because I am on my Blackberry tablet, but I think you can read them on a laptop.
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Post Fri May 03, 2013 12:55 pm

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I keep trying to post a link to the Tobias Patent page, but the page expires. Just go to the US Patent Search page (http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/index.html)and search patent no. 8,302,439
Then go to the end of the patent pages and hit "Images". There are 17 pages of description and diagrams.
Note: to view the images you will need Internet Explorer and a plug-in available at: http://www.alternatiff.com/


The images don't print well (I tried to print them to a PDF) but they are clear online.
Here is an example: (I intend to read through the whole thing to see if there is a clear description, good enough to copy the keys.)
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
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Post Fri May 03, 2013 2:26 pm

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Thanks for posting this

Absolutely fantastic information great thread!

More more more!!! :smile:

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Post Fri May 03, 2013 4:45 pm

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escher7 wrote:I am not sure how what is essentially a key to Medeco locks is patentable, but then if Medeco hasn't challenged it he might have something.

Well, I can't speak for him but the guy is a lawyer so I have a suspicion he might have researched the various legal issues related to such a patent.

escher7 wrote:Then again, why would he patent it unless he wanted to sell them. Based on his book prices, I sense that making money is one of his objectives.

I'm not familiar with the details of his business affiliations but if he's a consultant for Medeco or the ASSA/Abloy group, or has any plans to be in the future, a patent on these keys would be a good way to prevent or control commercial distribution of code setting keys.
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Post Fri May 03, 2013 8:29 pm

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MBI wrote:
escher7 wrote:I am not sure how what is essentially a key to Medeco locks is patentable, but then if Medeco hasn't challenged it he might have something.

Well, I can't speak for him but the guy is a lawyer so I have a suspicion he might have researched the various legal issues related to such a patent.

escher7 wrote:Then again, why would he patent it unless he wanted to sell them. Based on his book prices, I sense that making money is one of his objectives.

I'm not familiar with the details of his business affiliations but if he's a consultant for Medeco or the ASSA/Abloy group, or has any plans to be in the future, a patent on these keys would be a good way to prevent or control commercial distribution of code setting keys.


You are correct. I am probably just pee'd off because his books are so expensive. Is he a consultant for Medeco? It would be surprising since he has ranted on Wired etc. that he enjoys making their lives miserable.
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