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Post Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:08 pm

MLA Expo 2013

Hey guys. So, who's going? Anyone from keypicking? I'll be there and furthermore I'll be doing a write up of it for Keypicking. :smile:

Below is a link to the list of exhibitors:

http://www.locksmiths.co.uk/expo-2013/2013-exhibitors/

If there is anything that you want me to ask any of them then let me know and I'll post any replies here.

Cheers,
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Post Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:13 pm

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Ken from Peterson International is going to be there.
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Post Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:05 pm

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Hey guys. So I went to the MLA expo and it was wall to wall lock porn! If you like that sort of thing.

Where to start though? My first trip was to Kaba where I wanted to ask why so many of their locks have blank pins/chambers in them. Well the answer is master keying. As Kaba dimple locks use hollow driver pins to save space, they don't have the room to add master pins so they do it by putting in blank chambers. Pretty strange still if you ask me. They highlighted that on their advertising blurb they will say 'up to x pins'.

Enough of that, here's some sweetness. Kaba Expert cutaway:

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Side view:

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Kaba were showing a new electronic access system. You need a keyfob which you carry on your person and the door only unlocks when you touch it. Lock and keyfob pictured below:

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It works on conductivity, when it knows your touching the handle it looks for the keyfob. If you don't have it on you then:

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If you have it, say in your pocket, then the latch retracts:

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Assa next. Lots of playing with cliq's in differing locks but I liked the SCD. It's like the Twin but the sidebar is more like a mini-Desmo now than finger pins:

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They had a Ruko 2 padlock with that mechanism in AND it was Cliq controlled too! Very nice.

How about this for a cool Protec 2 cutaway?:

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Sweet Evva goodness now. 3KS, MCS, ICS and EPS cutaways:

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Mul-T-Lock are now selling a new lock. It's a padlock called the Watchlock.

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It is an MT5 with Cliq mechanism. It has GPS and GSM technology so it can be tracked anywhere it goes. You can set it a 'safety range' and if it goes outside of that it'll call in with an alarm. It has an accelerometer to detect forceful blows and at the base of the shackle there are 2 contacts so if the shackle gets cut or opened without the correct Cliq key then it can tell and will alarm. The contacts can tell when the shackles is in locked, unlocked or open/turned positions. Very cool lock.

DOM next, here are a selection of their wares, including the Diamant!

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CISA cutaway:

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This next one's for Jeff Moss, they're not Sargent any more but they're still Keso's!

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Another huge lock!:

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There was a new door stopping security device. It goes on the base of a door and screws tight.

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It seemed quite good. 2 or 3 on a door would make it exceedingly hard to open.

A great stall from some guy from the USA, he was selling lots of very cool scopes. 2 of the coolest are here:

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Burg Wachter were selling some padlocks that you can put different locks into. The one keeps the lock in place by way of an externally accessible screw, which I think is a bit of a security fail! They were also selling aluminuim padlocks, which I think is a bit of a fail too!

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UAP/Tradelocks were showing off a new 6 lever lock with a new keyway. It has false gates both above and below the real gate and a notched fence. The keyway can be seen by looking at the key and keyhole below:

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A new lock maker called Brisant. Nothing exciting, low security but a new lock maker on the block. I was promised a sample or 2 but we'll wait and see about that, if it really turns up in the post or not!

Not a lot on the new tools front, Safe Ventures have a new 'pin and lift' system, which is essentially the same as their 'pin and cam' system but the pins are tested by a little lifter, not a cam. No pictures of that though, the owner seemed rather grumpy! There was a cool HU92 and HU66 (BMW and VAG group) pick, called the 'Turbo Decoder', no pics but can be seen here: http://turbodecoder.pl/en/product/turbo ... eration-23.

There was a very cool safe manipulation aid too. I was going to grab lots of pics of it but it had gone when I went today :-x . It can be seen here though:



There was sooo much more and more pics but that'll do I think! Till next year...

I'll leave you with a little collection of freebies, including cool Assa Abloy memory card (2gb) and the usual crap!:

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If you think of anything you want to know or further details on anything just let me know.
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Post Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:23 pm

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Holy freakin' explosion of absolute lock porn!!! :spinning:

Huxelypig, thanks SOOO MUCH for sharing all of this with us!

I'm not even sure what to comment on, lol. I'll have to look through again.
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Post Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:27 pm

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That Burg Wächter 900 Alpha Titan - looking to get one of those to play with when I get enough money. They can take a half euro-profile lock or a standard Scandinavian oval cylinder. What did you think of it seeing it in person?

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GWiens2001 wrote:That Burg Wächter 900 Alpha Titan - looking to get one of those to play with when I get enough money. They can take a half euro-profile lock or a standard Scandinavian oval cylinder. What did you think of it seeing it in person?

Gordon


It looked pretty cool, I like the idea of being able to put anything in there. The rep there told me that the lock is held in place by a screw. 1 screw and it's accessible from the outside. I was assured it was a hardened screw but still...
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Post Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:03 pm

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wow, just wow! Those huge cutaways are awesome! (as is everything else)
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Post Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:09 pm

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huxleypig wrote:
GWiens2001 wrote:That Burg Wächter 900 Alpha Titan - looking to get one of those to play with when I get enough money. They can take a half euro-profile lock or a standard Scandinavian oval cylinder. What did you think of it seeing it in person?

Gordon


It looked pretty cool, I like the idea of being able to put anything in there. The rep there told me that the lock is held in place by a screw. 1 screw and it's accessible from the outside. I was assured it was a hardened screw but still...


From the literature online, think the lock needs to be unlocked for the center portion of the lock to be removed. Then the center portion of the lock lowers out of the outer shell. Then the screw can be loosened, and the lock cylinder removed. The lock cylinder can not be removed unless the lock is disassembled.

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Post Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:21 pm

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GWiens2001 wrote:
huxleypig wrote:
GWiens2001 wrote:That Burg Wächter 900 Alpha Titan - looking to get one of those to play with when I get enough money. They can take a half euro-profile lock or a standard Scandinavian oval cylinder. What did you think of it seeing it in person?

Gordon


It looked pretty cool, I like the idea of being able to put anything in there. The rep there told me that the lock is held in place by a screw. 1 screw and it's accessible from the outside. I was assured it was a hardened screw but still...


From the literature online, think the lock needs to be unlocked for the center portion of the lock to be removed. Then the center portion of the lock lowers out of the outer shell. Then the screw can be loosened, and the lock cylinder removed. The lock cylinder can not be removed unless the lock is disassembled.

Gordon


That makes more sense! I can see how the cam would need to be n the unlocked position for the lock to come out (as well as the screw). I like the sound of putting an Assa Twin or Evva MCS into a padlock!
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Post Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:35 pm

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Was thinking ASSA D12 or a DOM Diamont. Or, to make ARF-GEF feel at home, an Elzett X-11. FGarci03 probably wants us to use a Teicicil. :mrgreen:

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Cool pictures Hux, and I like the nametag!

Now I have a desire to own a ginormous Protec 2 cutaway lock.
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Post Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:36 pm

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MBI wrote:Cool pictures Hux, and I like the nametag!

Now I have a desire to own a ginormous Protec 2 cutaway lock.


:agree:

That protec cutaway is awesome. No chance in sneaking it out huh? :lol:

Interesting manipulation "aid" as well.
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Post Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:32 am

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Holy Dogs on Fire. Now THAT is serious Lock Porn of the first degree, hux.

Really don't know what to say .... gotta take another look :drool:

One thing though: as you've mentioned that KABA are leaving blank chambers for master keying ...... (a cheap ass solution in my opinion, I expected different from these guys) ..... this probably explains why FTH Thirard do the same. I've been wondering about that for some time since they also have locks that advertise as up to x number of pins. Their Atlantic M is one example. Many thanks for filling in the blank on that.

Then there's the Mul-T-Lock Watchlock :shock: Damn, these guys are good!

And I could dream about that DOM case ..... :smile: Same goes for the KESO case! Total Lock Porn.

Huge thanks for sharing, hux
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Post Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:28 am

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Hux, thanks for sharing the pics. This is a huge lock porn collection.
The KABA Expert took my breath right on the first photo :akimbo:


GWiens2001 wrote:FGarci03 probably wants us to use a Teicicil. :mrgreen:

Yes! That would make it virtually impenetrable indeed! :mrgreen:
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Kaba master keying is not a cheap way of doing it. It's the only way ! It is necessary to understand the way the system works. For example expert has 4 axes on the key, with a total of 42 possible pin positions on any key. However any pattern of rotor/stator has 22 pin chambers in it. There are 16 drill variations of rotor stator. So with a minimum of 12 pins per cylinder and the variations of key cut positions & rotor stators master keying of immense complexity is quite simple to do.
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