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Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:31 pm**

OK,i acquired this Federal Bilock in a recent trade,and it is broken.
there apparently was a round steel pin in the roof of the keyway,separating the two key blades,
but it must have worked itself out under heavy tensioning.
the integrity of the hole it was in is damaged,and will not accommodate cylindrical objects with a tight fit,due to ovalization.
evidently caused by a back and forth prying motion.
(most likely a tension wrench is the culprit)
other than destructively creating a slot to tension,the hole is the only feasible way.
i straightened out a keyring,and am able to tension the lock,but it is difficult,
control is lacking,as well as feedback.
i get nothing out of this lock.
it refuses to talk to me.
it wont let me in.
opinions?
thoughts?
ideas?
and what i am really after....answers . =)

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:06 pm**

Hi Awol , would it be possible to make a 2 tine tension wrench ?
along the lines of a "snakes tongue" placed diagonally to the top and bottom corners hopefully allowing you both tension and working room .
I've never seen this type of lock before so it's only a suggestion
and i don't really know much and i probably am way off base with
this idea mate , but i know you'll crack it :idea:

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:53 pm**

How thick is the 'tongue' that is blocking you (how far down into the keyway does it go?

If its only a thin plate I was thinking you might be able to file a tw to the width of the keyway then bend it back toward the handle end so that the 'tongue' in the keyway fits in the bend in your tw like a sandwich and hopefully takes up minimal room.

This:
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l
l
l

bent into this:

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l____

Does that make sense? I have never had my hands on one of these locks before so I may be way off base but that's all I have for now.

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:31 pm**

nozza36 wrote:Hi Awol , would it be possible to make a 2 tine tension wrench ?
along the lines of a "snakes tongue" placed diagonally to the top and bottom corners hopefully allowing you both tension and working room .
I've never seen this type of lock before so it's only a suggestion
and i don't really know much and i probably am way off base with
this idea mate , but i know you'll crack it

an ok idea, but no, the keyway is open to the bore at the bottom =/
tensioning must be done from the top,as far as i can tell...

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:37 pm**

jruther2 wrote:How thick is the 'tongue' that is blocking you (how far down into the keyway does it go?

If its only a thin plate I was thinking you might be able to file a tw to the width of the keyway then bend it back toward the handle end so that the 'tongue' in the keyway fits in the bend in your tw like a sandwich and hopefully takes up minimal room.

This:
__________________________
l
l
l

bent into this:

___________________________
l____

Does that make sense? I have never had my hands on one of these locks before so I may be way off base but that's all I have for now.

it is pretty much directly behind where the steel pin used to be....
it is thick,too not like my other bilock...it runs the full depth of the keyway,
they don't leave a lot of room to work,and even when i manage to get it under a bit of tension,it seems to lock right up,after setting a pin or two....
this is CRAZEEEEE!! :twisted:

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:06 pm**

Poor little lock has been abused. Give it time to get to know you, keep it under your pillow. Whisper to it.

Seriously, if the lock was over tensioned a bunch wouldn't the pins be messed up too. Where the pins interact with the sidebar could be damaged. If there was enough movement to create the oval hole you found, what kind of shape is the sidebar in ?

Do you have the key, or a key that fits in ?

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:12 pm**

I don't think I've ever seen one of these locks. Just from the pics it looks like it is a pretty decent body though. If anyone can tear into this thing and bring it back to its former glory, it's you man, best of luck on this one!

Once I seen this I wanted to get a little info on it but I was strapped for time and all I could really find using my good friend google was a sales catalog PDF with this lock in it. Here's the link if you wanna check it out.

http://www.codringtons.com/PDF/A.pdf

Good luck man, I wanna see this thing working again

This is NOT the bilock version, it's the standard. Still interesting though.

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:02 pm**

barbarian wrote:Poor little lock has been abused. Give it time to get to know you, keep it under your pillow. Whisper to it.

Seriously, if the lock was over tensioned a bunch wouldn't the pins be messed up too. Where the pins interact with the sidebar could be damaged. If there was enough movement to create the oval hole you found, what kind of shape is the sidebar in ?

Do you have the key, or a key that fits in ?

no key..=(
it feels as if it is working....i can feel the left SB engage,then the right...
its the pins i am worried about....

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:05 am**

New generation Bilock have a slider at the front that is engaged by a spring-loaded finger in the key, that only activates when the key is fully seated into the keyway.
Pushing the slider up rotates a piece whick will allow the right sidebar to drop in. Without this slider lifted, the sidebar is locked in place.

If this slider were removed or damaged enough to fall out, it would leave a hole similar to what you've described.

I am not well-versed in Bilock, but I believe that were to happen, you're looking at a drill job.

I just don't think that core looks like new generation.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:26 pm**

GutterClown wrote:New generation Bilock have a slider at the front that is engaged by a spring-loaded finger in the key, that only activates when the key is fully seated into the keyway.
Pushing the slider up rotates a piece whick will allow the right sidebar to drop in. Without this slider lifted, the sidebar is locked in place.

If this slider were removed or damaged enough to fall out, it would leave a hole similar to what you've described.

I am not well-versed in Bilock, but I believe that were to happen, you're looking at a drill job.

I just don't think that core looks like new generation.

ok,thank you..however blasphemous it may be and however much i know i will regret it,
i think you may be right about the drill job...=(

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:42 pm**

Pictures of your other bilock?

Don't worry about drilling, it's a fact of life.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:47 pm**

GutterClown wrote:Pictures of your other bilock?

Don't worry about drilling, it's a fact of life.

i did a breakdown on vid...or did you want stills,and what part do you want to see?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GSvOpG3H5Y

oh, if you figure you can locate the proper drill points please pm me..
i was thinking of the pins,but they are steel..

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:25 am**

You don't have a key do you?
if it hasn't got the slider in your original padlock, that's first gen.

this new one you've got is second gen. I'm thinking if you can drill out the rotating pin that locks the sidebar, you might still be able to pick this. One 1/8th hole right through the pin should destroy enough of it.

so you'd still have a small hole in the face, but no damage to the sidebars or pins.

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