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need some advise

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:25 am
by Random
Ok im headed in to my fifth week of lock picking and have come to some revelations regarding my skill level. I started with the 4 pin master locks, then off to a 5pin cisa with 2 spools, then off to a american series 20. I became so frustrated with the 20 that it was no longer fun. I realized that ive jumped a step in my picking evolution. So im looking for something to fill the gap in between the cisa and the american 20. any sugestions?

Re: need some advise

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:41 am
by Josephus
Are you repinning? Repin and redo locks you can tackle with security pins. If you already did, try out more kinds of locks. Memorization or brand-affinity can be a pitfall. There is the classical way to deal with new challenges too: take pinstacks out and work your way back to full.

Re: need some advise

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:44 pm
by Oldfast
Any of the brass padlocks from Master or Brinks are good for some more spool work.

Here's a 140... viewtopic.php?p=40275#p40275
Or Ace padlocks too... viewtopic.php?p=68726#p68726

Re: need some advise

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:47 pm
by Random
Josephus wrote:Are you repinning? Repin and redo locks you can tackle with security pins. If you already did, try out more kinds of locks. Memorization or brand-affinity can be a pitfall. There is the classical way to deal with new challenges too: take pinstacks out and work your way back to full.


I've been considering pinning my own locks. Im on the lookout for and apk-1 but have not found a good source. I agree with the memorization pitfall so ive been trying to pick up a new brand/model as often as i can.

Re: need some advise

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:50 pm
by Random
Oldfast wrote:Any of the brass padlocks from Master or Brinks are good for some more spool work.

Here's a 140... https://ssl.keypicking.com/viewtopic.php?p=40275#p40275
Or Ace padlocks too... https://ssl.keypicking.com/viewtopic.php?p=68726#p68726


Cool thread, I found a 140 at TSC for the other day ill have to give it a shot.

Re: need some advise

PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:10 am
by Neilau
Hi Random.

You say that you have been picking for 5 weeks and have mastered a couple of locks then got stuck.

Picking is not a linear progression. Just because you have picked one brand of lock does not mean they you have mastered all that brand or model. Every lock is different. Some Masters are easy but others can be very difficult.

Practice on as many different locks as you can get your hands on, even locks of the same brand. Some Chinese locks can be very difficult because of sloppy manufacture others because they are well made.

You have to develop a “feel” and that only comes with practice. Try using different picks to get locks that you have already opened. Try using TOK and BOK torsion etc. Look for locks with difficult bitting.

Get as many locks as you can and open them over and over. Trying to “hear” what the lock is telling you and develop that feel.

The only sure way to master this skill is practice.

If you find that you are getting frustrated with one lock. Put it away for a week or so then come back to it.

Remember, there will always be locks that you won’t be able open for quite some time (if ever).

All of us here have a “Naughty box” that have real beasts in them.

The suggestion to get some 140s is a good one. They are cheap and will teach you a lot. Each one will have its own character and will teach you something.

Happy picking. :D

Re: need some advise

PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:30 am
by vde
Morning,
If you want to get a feeling for spools and also have a good training lock I would suggest abus 72/40 padlock. Reason is because you can gut it and move the pins around. Also you can start with 4 pins and add to 6.

Cheers
vde

Re: need some advise

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:11 am
by Random
All great advise thanks guys.