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GhostWolf

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Post Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:34 pm

Re: Can Anyone Pick These Locks?

Sorry if you don't complety understood my explanation, i'm French and my level of English is limited.
Moreover, like I said, I have not achieved this. I have answered only to this question :
arielschoenberg wrote:Has anyone picked these locks personally? Or have you seen others do it?


And you're right, the magnet is a 500kg pull.
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Post Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:06 am

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It's fine. I understood it was Smucky31 who opened it. I got the general idea, but I'm not familiar with this lock - at all, haha. I think it would take an in-depth video of the process for me to really see how he did it. Very impressive to see it done even if the lock wasn't installed in a door.
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Post Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:01 am

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That's :bs: mcs with a magnet pulling in one direction - don't work like that

I don't understand your explanation - for sure
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Post Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:50 am

Re: Can Anyone Pick These Locks?

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10ringo10 wrote:That's :bs: mcs with a magnet pulling in one direction - don't work like that

I don't understand your explanation - for sure


Hmm, my take on his explanation is that he took the magnet from all different angles around the cylinder, picking the pins or pin each time he changes the orientation of the magnet. (which of course can't be done when installed in a lock) and kept doing this around and around until it picked. (similar to using a LEE or Peterson tubular pick one pin at a time, each time around, you get a little more, and a little more)
at least that's what I got. :)
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Post Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:21 am

Re: Can Anyone Pick These Locks?

No1- Yes

No2 - Yes

No3 - Yes

No4 - Dunno (probably Yes)

The MCS might be attackable from the side like that, gently trying to trap the legs as you spin the magnets. But try doing that from the front when it is mounted. I also imagine that it is somewhat hit and miss.

The reason the plug gets stuck once 'picked' is because the sliders get trapped in the housing if there is nothing to hold them in place as the plug turns. If you hold them in place the plug spins freely (as well as the ball bearing).

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Post Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:25 pm

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If anyone can emulate this form of attack on the mcs - your the man for the job hp
as I see it - its almost like bumping but spinning discs - but from the the front of lock in a real life situation
no access to side of lock - may just as well use vibration in the same way - discs will move using this method also
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Post Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:56 pm

Re: Can Anyone Pick These Locks?

10ringo10 wrote:If anyone can emulate this form of attack on the mcs - your the man for the job hp
as I see it - its almost like bumping but spinning discs - but from the the front of lock in a real life situation
no access to side of lock - may just as well use vibration in the same way - discs will move using this method also


Exactly right Ringo. If the object of the exercise is simply to spin the rotors round then a strong enough alternating magnetic field might achieve this from the front of the lock. In my experience though, you are unlikely to ever get the spinning effect you want doing this.

Interestingly, Evva changed the design of the early Zeiss Ikon MCS. It used to have a spindle that the magnets used to spin. Now they sorta wobble around, without a spindle. They clearly did this for a reason.
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