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Re: Do you consider Abloy classic keyway high security?
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:55 amby bezza1
Josh66 wrote:Riyame wrote:Very cool. Notice the sparks when he cut the boron shackle? A wild semi educated guess would be that once it got so far cut through that the shackle "fractured/shattered" and basically cut itself the rest of the way through causing the sparks.
Could have also been a chunk of the bolt cutter coming off. How does the edge look, Bezza?
perfect never chipped my bolt cutters thats why they cost me $600
Re: Do you consider Abloy classic keyway high security?
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:12 amby HirosStorageUnit
even the cheap chinese bolt cutters will cut boron, it just takes a bit more technique.
Re: Do you consider Abloy classic keyway high security?
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:36 amby HirosStorageUnit
boron shackle aside any more input on my question? :0
Re: Do you consider Abloy classic keyway high security?
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:05 amby mech
nice video bezza, love vids like that
Re: Do you consider Abloy classic keyway high security?
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:26 pmby Josh66
bezza1 wrote:Josh66 wrote:Riyame wrote:Very cool. Notice the sparks when he cut the boron shackle? A wild semi educated guess would be that once it got so far cut through that the shackle "fractured/shattered" and basically cut itself the rest of the way through causing the sparks.
Could have also been a chunk of the bolt cutter coming off. How does the edge look, Bezza?
perfect never chipped my bolt cutters thats why they cost me $600
hehe - I wasn't saying that's what it WAS, just that it was a possibility. $600 bolt cutters? Really? Damn.
For that kind of cash, I'd be pretty pissed if they got chipped by a lock.
Re: Do you consider Abloy classic keyway high security?
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:44 pmby clearmoon247
Well HirosStorageUnit,
If you are after a lock that most people can't get past in any way, i don't think that the abloy classic is the way to go, but, if you are after one that has very high difficulty to pick, but can still be cut off, then they are pretty good. That's my two cents on the matter. If you want true security, go with a S&G 833 with an abloy protec core.
Re: Do you consider Abloy classic keyway high security?
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:15 pmby Riyame
clearmoon247 wrote:Well HirosStorageUnit,
If you are after a lock that most people can't get past in any way, i don't think that the abloy classic is the way to go, but, if you are after one that has very high difficulty to pick, but can still be cut off, then they are pretty good. That's my two cents on the matter. If you want true security, go with a S&G 833 with an abloy protec core.
Then you would have to get a Protec KIK, and custom make tailpieces to fit the 833. Its not fun and has to be very precise. Its not a whole lot of fun, trust me on this
Re: Do you consider Abloy classic keyway high security?
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Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:51 pmby 10ringo10
Re: Do you consider Abloy classic keyway high security?
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Tue May 07, 2013 7:11 amby escher7
My friendly locksmith showed me one of the very large padlocks by Abloy that had been cut with an angle grinder. The boron shackle made no difference at all, even though its diameter was probably 3/8". As always, destructive entry ignores the cylinder's pick-resistance.
Where pick resistance is important is when the entry must remain covert. If someone (a professional) has the Abloy pick that is out there, is highly practised, and has time he will get through the Classic and no one will be the wiser. Impressioning an Abloy is also possible and covert.
What does this mean for the average person? Unless you have a basement full of gold or a Rembrandt, the Classic will serve you well. The neighbourhood kids may know how to bump a pin tumbler but I doubt if they spent $150 to buy a dedicated Abloy pick. On the other hand, unless you can get a Classic very cheap, buy the Protec 2 because it really is pick proof at this point and you might as well get the best.
Re: Do you consider Abloy classic keyway high security?
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Tue May 07, 2013 9:45 amby huxleypig
I've been looking at the classic profile recently. The pick I have for it does not work unless the lock binds up from back to front. If you have to manipulate a disc and any disc behind it needs setting at a greater angle it is not possible without disturbing the disc in front. Or maybe I'm using the tool wrong, if that is the case then I'd love to receive some instruction as to how I am supposed to use it. I believe a pin and cam system would work and I also believe that the lock can be decoded relatively easily. Then the pick would be of use for setting the discs. But only once you have decoded it.
I believe that the exec profile has the same flaws. The protec (allegedly) has a pick which impressions the lock and there is also a decoder for the protec. I do not know about the protec 2.
But to sum up, I would say yes - the classic is high security. Whilst other disc detainers can be picked with cheap chinese tools, this one can't. As far as I'm aware.
Re: Do you consider Abloy classic keyway high security?
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Tue May 07, 2013 9:49 amby kilby
Well the original question was the Abloy Classic keyway rather than the actual padlock
so I suppose I suppose the answer is quite secure' but use one of the later systems to enhance it.
To be honest rather than taking an angle grinder to an Abloy lock I would take an angle grinder to the hasp that the lock passes through as it would probably be quicker.