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Post Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:36 pm

Gerda Titan

Having heard of this lock and watching bills vid a while ago ! my interest was sparked after a conversation with a dhl delivery guy from Poland

and I quote said " this lock was picked on my parents house very easily " in Poland ????? by thieves

having seen a second vid on youtube it looks like someone as come up with such a tool ... any thoughts

heres the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLeiPmfm-2s
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Post Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:00 am

Re: Gerda Titan

Spin key.JPG

Spin key(bump key)
Metal rod with flutes ground in it.
Like the lands and grooves of a gun barrel.
Put in a drill motor and tension like before.
Spin forward, spin backwards until open.
And if that doesn't work switch to the drill bit.

Yea.......Ha Ha nice drawing. :D
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Post Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:28 am

Re: Gerda Titan

Remember that the Gerda Titan is a Polish lock. The thieves would be more familiar with that lock. It does have a fairly wide keyway - about like a thin ball point pen. The plug is turned by a notch at the tip of the key. Make a tensioner that can reach in there and hold the tab that the notch fits into, and picking it should not be too bad. Don't think it has any security pins.

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Post Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:27 am

Re: Gerda Titan

I've heard you can impression it easily

you can also open it by self impressioning using aluminium foil and a special prepared blank or used key

I never tested it before cause I don't have this lock

a decoder is sold for this type of lock

http://turbodecoder.com/gerda-tytan-zx/
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Post Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:59 am

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Post Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:50 pm

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Froggy wrote:http://www.antivor.com.ua/news_item.php?lid=menumain1_43newslist_46


Fucking awesome website! :armed:
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Post Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:33 pm

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Last edited by Bulgaro on Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Post Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:33 pm

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Thank you for uploading this link - watched with great interest

the barrel - core inserts from front l@@ks like - no rim on barrel - I can see just a flat barrel - possible shimming attack may be possible from front

if chrome cover plate could be pulled free & say could as this l@@ks to slot over the lock - is this fixed it must be - just a thought after watching this

Bill talks about the ball bearing - rod in centre of key way being anti drill device - think that's correct ? given the cam at the back & location to locking bolt

I can see away passed the lock - this is attack on the lever- bolt works directly as the cam is sat in the knotches - this will need bending out of way

threw a hole in door and locks casing - point & position unknown - :mrgreen:
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Post Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:21 pm

Re: Gerda Titan

10ringo10 wrote:Thank you for uploading this link - watched with great interest

the barrel - core inserts from front l@@ks like - no rim on barrel - I can see just a flat barrel - possible shimming attack may be possible from front

if chrome cover plate could be pulled free & say could as this l@@ks to slot over the lock - is this fixed it must be - just a thought after watching this

Bill talks about the ball bearing - rod in centre of key way being anti drill device - think that's correct ? given the cam at the back & location to locking bolt

I not undrestand what you want to say because my english is not good
I ll make cutaway from this lock and will try picking and impressioning. If i have luck to pick and ipression it i will make video.
Sorry for my bad english.Are you from Poland?
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Post Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:29 pm

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Poland no - love to see this picking attempt using a shim - if possible one pin at a time just to rule this out

thanks hope to see it picked
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Post Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:38 pm

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10ringo10 wrote:Poland no - love to see this picking attempt using a shim - if possible one pin at a time just to rule this out

thanks hope to see it picked

What is shim? Can you send me photos please
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Post Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:27 pm

Re: Gerda Titan

A Shim - is anything with a very thin gauge - pop can - coke can - tape measure - metal strip
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Post Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:59 pm

Re: Gerda Titan

Foil impression, great idea, the videos really help a lot,
foil with some plasticine under to support foil while impressioning,
no need to pick three times that way

the best I could think of was a coil spring screwed onto a small caliber gun cleaning brush chucked in a reversible drill
coil spring to go over the center pin and whip around while wire brush whips pins that are not at the depth of the center post.

there do not appear to be much difference between the pins in length,
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Post Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:12 am

Re: Gerda Titan

I think rick got to play with one a while back & stated he had damn near set all pins 4 rows x 4 - but did not have the time to investigate it further with a dril

type device rai - the problem is clear with this and I quote " the best lock in the world " the lock is only as good as the lock mechanism behind and is clearly

20mm wider than the protruding lock 50mm - so we have 10mm either side to play with bearing in mind the whole size for a wire attack or bypass

my advice they should have spent 20 years and a day - not just the 20 years claimed - reduce the spring loaded mechanism to 50mm not 70mm -this will cover

the flaw - of cause the hard plate is some - but not complete protection

just my 10p worth !
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Post Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:03 pm

Re: Gerda Titan

I see two problems. There are security pins and there are other pins not in line with the main series that are depressed with the round part of the key.
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