Me home lock : DOM diamant

[WhitePicker]

This is me lock for me house door:
http://www.gbe.co.za/dom/domdiamant.htm

here a example of the inner works
http://www.google.be/imgres?imgurl=http://www.slotenmakerijrob.be/cms/images/stories/diamant_a.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.slotenmakerijrob.be/cms/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D5%26Itemid%3D5&usg=__zocrbPKBrUrgarz2lAXskEOCuQY=&h=212&w=500&sz=44&hl=nl&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=2nHpHB268vLdJM:&tbnh=81&tbnw=192&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDOM%2Bdaimant%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dnl%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D933%26tbs%3Disch:10,100&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=301&vpy=202&dur=674&hovh=120&hovw=283&tx=170&ty=80&ei=HHl5TILuDc_qOJWnhfMF&oei=HHl5TILuDc_qOJWnhfMF&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=40&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:0&biw=1680&bih=933
but i was thinking about is it lockpick able ?
i heard me dad telling me its a 3D lock with 21 discs that lets a couple Pin's fall to let the lock turn

i dont think it is lockpick able is

how do you think about it ?

[barbarian]

According to the Falle catalog, they make a tool for the Dom "Diamond" as they call it.

Perhaps that is a different model. But then again the catalog I saw was an older catalog too. So maybe they make newer tools.

They say it has 10 rotating disks and the picture of the key they show looks just like yours..

Like to be alone in Falles storage area with a camera for a day....

[elbowmacaroni]

Wow! Did ya get a load of the key for that thing? Holy smokes! That's gotta be TOUGH! Tool from Falle or not.

[WhitePicker]

I simple think this isnt lockpick able
It will be even tough if they make a tool special for this kinda lock :p

[mentoOsmann]

I have no idea how one could pick it but because it's mechanically operating it can be picked given the right tools and amount of time.

[barbarian]

Looked through the catalog again.

They say that the tool takes 3 minutes to open the lock with a skilled operator. It also provides a code for making a key. They say this lock is easier than the Abus Granite to open.

Falle makes some wild tools. They list among others, tools for the BiLock, Abus Granite, and Evva 3KS locks.

Edit >>
Let me expand my question a bit.. does using a decoder tool or variable key tool count as picking ? Or is it sort of like cheating ?

It probably takes less skill than what we think of as "pure" picking. But a lot of credit has to go to the guy that made the tool. Some locks might not be "pick-able" without a very complex tool. For me it still counts as picking because it's opening the lock without a key.

Thoughts ??

[WhitePicker]

http://dom.co.za/domdiamant.asp
Here can you see some info about it
it does have 21 Discs so i think they are meaning a very skilled operator and luck :p

[KokomoLock]

21 discs and 4 sidebars!!! That is one cool looking lock and key.

[Solomon]

I don't know where this 21 discs thing is coming from... there are 10. I know it says in the catalogue that there are 21 but I think they mean total, ie. both sides, which to me is misleading. According to LSS+ and every single diagram I can find there are only 10 discs in each side. The discs have false gates which can frustrate picking, but it is very possible to open these in under 5 minutes with enough practice.

They're still high security, just simpler than Abloy. They only have one profile, so only one universal tool is necessary to open them. An added bonus of this is that there is no multi-profiling in the discs to worry about either, so picking them compared to an Abloy is actually relatively simple.

You can view a pic of the decoder from Locks, Safes & Security by Marc Weber Tobias here. It is referred to as the DOM Diamond in LSS+ because Diamant is the German word; they're the same lock.

[LocksmithArmy]

after watching the LSS+ vid... ima go with... wow...
and its not a variable key tool, its just a pick like the abus granite pick...

also, the 21 disks come from... 10 disks, 10 spacers, 1 rubber oring (pushes the sidebars out)

there are only 10 cuts on the key and only 10 disks need to be manipulated

[Solomon]

LSA do you have those vids on your ftp server by any chance? Would love to take a look

[LocksmithArmy]

no... but they are for sale

[KokomoLock]

I was just reading up on the lock in High-security mechanical locks: an encyclopedic reference and he says it only has 3 sidebars, I thought I saw 4, and the 21 discs are 10 active discs an 11 separator discs. Still looks like a bastard to pick!!

[magician59]

I don't know where this 21 discs thing is coming from... there are 10. I know it says in the catalogue that there are 21 but I think they mean total, ie. both sides, which to me is misleading. According to LSS+ and every single diagram I can find there are only 10 discs in each side. The discs have false gates which can frustrate picking, but it is very possible to open these in under 5 minutes with enough practice.

They're still high security, just simpler than Abloy. They only have one profile, so only one universal tool is necessary to open them. An added bonus of this is that there is no multi-profiling in the discs to worry about either, so picking them compared to an Abloy is actually relatively simple.

You can view a pic of the decoder from Locks, Safes & Security by Marc Weber Tobias here. It is referred to as the DOM Diamond in LSS+ because Diamant is the German word; they're the same lock.

They're cheating by referring to the spacers as rotating discs.

[s1deshowmick]

Looked through the catalog again.

They say that the tool takes 3 minutes to open the lock with a skilled operator. It also provides a code for making a key. They say this lock is easier than the Abus Granite to open.

Falle makes some wild tools. They list among others, tools for the BiLock, Abus Granite, and Evva 3KS locks.

Edit >>
Let me expand my question a bit.. does using a decoder tool or variable key tool count as picking ? Or is it sort of like cheating ?

It probably takes less skill than what we think of as "pure" picking. But a lot of credit has to go to the guy that made the tool. Some locks might not be "pick-able" without a very complex tool. For me it still counts as picking because it's opening the lock without a key.

Thoughts ??

My thought is that, If you use any tool other than the operationg key to open a lock, the lock has been picked open.
I don't think that it matters if it's not your traditional "Lock pick", no matter how complex the tool is.
Sometimes the added bonus is that you get to decode it at the same time.