FAQ  •  My feedback  •  Feedback
UKLockpickers.co.uk Lockpicking supplies such as Lockpicks, tools, and more! COMMANDOLOCK.COM Military grade padlock systems lockpickshop.com A source for lockpicking supplies such as lockpicks, locksmith tools, and more!

Crime? if theres no law

<<

rerun12

User avatar

Contributor
Contributor

Posts: 434

Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:32 pm

Location: Connecticut

Post Mon May 26, 2014 4:41 pm

Re: Crime? if theres no law

xeo wrote:
huxleypig wrote:All I can go on is my own personal experience with the cops. They are self serving corporate whores with terrible attitudes.


That is my experience as well.


I really can't disagree too much with this but it's the system that is flawed as well as the human beings. Recipe for disaster. But then again...on the evolutionary timeline we are all about a quarter-step out of the cave or jungle; sacrificing babies to the gods of whatever, exterminating an entire race of people to steal their land and all that awful stuff. As someone who was nearly beaten to death by an officer of the law, as a teenager, I think it's important to not let the bad apples spoil the whole bunch when it comes to how we view groups of people. I'm not saying my opinion is any more valid than the next guys is, but I do think maintaining a particular narrow view on an entire group of people is very dangerous for both sides. Even still though, the good ole' US of A def needs to dial back the policing in this country, and quickly.. else we'll all have cages of rats strapped to our heads one day.
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.
<<

jones

I've Been Banned!!
I've Been Banned!!

Posts: 326

Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:40 pm

Location: AZ, USA

Post Wed May 28, 2014 2:01 am

Re: Crime? if theres no law

rai wrote:I live in a 'down' part of town, there are lots of problems and problem people. the cops are only one of the gangs.
a month ago, at about 11 at night, I heard a loud pounding on the door, I thought it was my landlord locked out without his keys,
it was the cops, four of them, tange uleland andeson and farah,
I opened the door and was asked some questions, they were looking for a person who no longer lived there, recently moved I don't know where,
they said he had been reported as having stolen a car.
I told them truthfully that he wasn't there, they asked when I had last seen him, I answered truthfully.
then the lead thug, tange asked for my name, for his report, ( when they say they only want one thing its a lie, answer and its going to be a long series of questions, its there game and they know how its played)
I truthfully answered that I didn't want my name in his report. I should never have answered the door.
he was outsid my door, I was inside,
he said "can I come in" I said no and started to close the door.
the four of them home invaded,
I told them that when professor henry louis gates confronted the aggressive cop at his door, and much was written about it from a legal point of view, before the famous "beer summit, he lost his rights in great measure because he stepped outside his door, they had invaded my door.
police have routines, probably different in rich parts of town. in frogtown,where I live, they invade and have no respect for the Fourth amendment.
they can tell you that some lawyer or corrupt judge has issued some anti fourth amendment statement to empower them to ignore the constitution.

The bill of rights is the social contract by which the government is given authority by the people, its ratified by all the states, the twisted arguments of shyster lawyers/judges are not ratified by anyone except government gunmen.

Essentially the corrupt system has eliminated the entire bill of rights unless you have very expensive lawyers, if your enron, you can keep shredding documents for weeks after the FBI says to stop, you can negociate a plea agreement for years. not the wham bam bushit that is forced on the rest of us.

the forth amendment says they cant come in without a warrent , probable cause citing specifically what they want. they cant steal anything they want while inside.
these home invaders handcuffed me and shoved me down the porch stairs and across the street into one of the squad cars.
Tange was hyperventilating while he was telling me to calm down. this is called projecting authority, they also tell you to calm down so that later when they have shot you they can say you werent calm. its a word game that they practice and know as well as they know the paranoid routine stories they consistently tell,
four gunmen in armor with belts full of sadistic equipment are claiming to be afraid of me. in bare feet.

The best thing you can do is refuse to talk to them, if you answer truthfully your name will be in their report, if you call them and they blow off the call, they will right a report that falsely claime complainant appeared DK (drunk) it gets them off the hook and its routine lying.
I have never been protected or served by them only harrassed threatened and abused.

Tange told me he was going to charge me with "obstructing "his" investigation" I said "OK lets get this lawsuit on the road" I was locked in the back of his car, he said I wasn't under arrest, I told him to let me go, he wouldn't.

they searched the house and stole property belonging to my landlord.
I did not hire an attorney because they are usually worthless as cops, and definately not on my side. its a business.

I am going to have business cards printed up with the Fourth amendment, and bumper stickers, so people can hand them to cops and say "read my rights"

the thing about the auto theft, it was a dispute between the owner of a vehicle and the mechanic who he hired to work on it, the owner was trying to bring the price down, and he saw the mechanic driving the car and got mad, mechanics have a lien allowing them to drive a car they are working on.

Tange was all about having his own way and dam the constitution. he cannot respect a citizens rights because it offends his ego.



Reading your experience reminded me so much of some of my own experiences with the police. Even after many years I am afraid I don't have many answers for either of us. I will tell you that when the police man knocks at my door (and I think You know that sound) I no longer answer the door. I had some trouble with a neighbor one year and she used to call the police on me every weekend, whenever she saw me outside. Soon as I noticed her I knew the cops would be knocking on my door in about 10 minutes, so I would arrange a chair to be in the hallway, out of window view & set the channel on my TV to something I would like to watch. When the big ol' knock came to my door I quit making noise and the cops would leave after a few minutes. I also started being careful to Never update my current address, I use an old address which is a mailing address only, but looks like a street address. As a locksmith with priors it is of the utmost importance to me that anytime the police are around me there will also be witnesses, so if called by the police (on the phone) I only give out my business address and the time I will show up for work, in the morning, in the hopes that there will be some people around my business address to act as witnesses.

I had a friend die on me years ago and while I was still hysterical over his death, a cop began questioning me. He was the rudest person who ever spoke to me and I let him know that without a search warrant, he had no right to follow me back into my house & that I was done speaking with him. I attempted to go back into my home & he stuck his foot in the door. He & his partner left all the witnesses outside & followed me inside, where they began pushing me around. Eventually one of them tripped me & when I fell I landed on his partner (Surprise!) who had gotten down in position upon the floor and was waiting for me to land on him. Anyway at the time I tipped the scales at about 300lbs and when I fell, I heard a very sweet cracking noise in his leg and he began screaming, which was very nice. Went to court and my $25k attorney stabbed me in the back with a plea bargain. I lost my FFL and my gun store as well but was only placed on a year of probation.

My experience has taught me to never speak with the police if at all possible & to always pretend to treat the police with respect and lots of Sir's.

I still cheer whenever I hear about a cop dying, or better yet getting killed in the line of duty.
<<

xeo

User avatar

Catministrator
Catministrator

Posts: 2127

Joined: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:30 am

Location: East Coast, USA

Post Wed May 28, 2014 3:11 am

Re: Crime? if theres no law

jones wrote:I still cheer whenever I hear about a cop dying, or better yet getting killed in the line of duty.


While Keypicking does allow a very generous amount of freedom to its users, a comment like this is simply not acceptable. Please keep this kind of stuff to yourself. Thanks.
Image
The code is hidden in the tumblers. One position opens the lock, another position opens one of these doors...
http://www.youtube.com/xeotech1

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

░░░░░░░░░░░░░Image
<<

mister sour

User avatar

I've Been Banned!!
I've Been Banned!!

Posts: 1209

Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:07 am

Location: Missouri

Post Wed May 28, 2014 3:56 am

Re: Crime? if theres no law

I tend to stay away from Police Officers and I live my life in a manner of avoidance from them. But I see that they have a necessary place in society and the people that do this job make a sacrifice that a lot cannot stomach. There is filth everywhere. People have probably spit in your food and you have probably said thank you to them and they just smiled and waved. Politicians steal my money and the mechanics dont fix my car. I will never wish death on another human being unless they wish me, my family or true innocence harm. This thread, in my opinion, is one ugly fucking stain in Keypickings embodiment. Just my opinion.
<<

rai

Contributor
Contributor

Posts: 561

Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:52 pm

Location: minneapolis

Post Wed May 28, 2014 2:11 pm

Re: Crime? if theres no law

This thread is about an ugly stain, on our society. one that some would not talk about because they are comfortable with the coverup of that growing stain.
Police are not mentioned in the constitution, in those days the communities had their own ways of ostracizing the bad people along with the unfamiliar new people. Was justice done? I don't know much about that, only about the JUST US system that has taken over the country and refuses to respect our constitutional rights and demands compliance to their every petty thought,
compliance is for slaves, it is submission under threat of force. illegal force for intimidation.
Police love their corrupt system, it makes them masters and everyone else slaves to be abused,
And its completly democracy free.
Are we a free country? Ask homeland security? they will have some fancy lies for this question, and ask everyone to hide in a hole until the all clear on terrorism.
you have a greater chance of dying from a slip and fall in the bathtub than terrorist action, unless you regard some of what the police state does as terrorism. Its certainly intended to terrorize some of the population for no good reason.
Corruption is real, its a stain on the constitution and this country needs a better system to police the integrity of the police, no more throwdown guns from the seized property room, (google jason anderson fong lee shooting)
Currently our government has two parts, the above board and legal parts, and the parts where the constitution does not exist, because the people operating there find it inconvenient.
Mass Surveilance without warrant or cause and police stopping people just for intimidation and ego gratification.
Patriots will be on the side of the constitution which has been ratified by the people of the states,
police state constituents will hate our rights because those rights make make bullying unconstitutional when they want it to be convenient for thier personal ulterior motives.

http://news.yahoo.com/california-top-co ... 16898.html
Last edited by rai on Fri May 30, 2014 1:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
<<

mdc5150

User avatar

Contributor
Contributor

Posts: 988

Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:35 am

Location: Arizona

Post Wed May 28, 2014 4:28 pm

Re: Crime? if theres no law

Our problem is of course not just with the police but more so with an apathetic, lazy, ignorant society. I won't go into my political beliefs except to say that I don't think we find ourselves here by happenstance.

We have not been a diligent society. We surrendered our political system to the political elite with the belief that they know what is best for us. By doing so we allowed our freedoms to be slowly eroded into something closer to a socialist society would have than from where we started. We took no responsibility for our own direction and instead let them pull the wool over our eyes. It was all done for our safety and security so we didn't question it.

Along the way we were told that the police were there to protect us and that we could trust them. After all they are there to enforce the law right? Unfortunately over the years without resistance from all of society the police were allowed to conduct themselves however they saw fit. We shrugged it off because it didn't concern us. We didn't break any laws and so the cops didn't bother us. If you had a problem with the cops you must be a criminal.

Now we've gotten to the point where everyone is a criminal. And if you dare exercise your rights with the 4th or 5th ammendment then you must be hiding something. The one thing that absolutely makes me go bat shit crazy is when you talk about unlawful search, or check points where you are stopped without probable cause or even reasonable suspicion and some asshole says "If you aren't breaking the law then what does it matter? "

Anyways that is my two cents.

P.S. to Squirrelcop and any other cops who might be here on Keypicking, I can only speak for me of course but I speak in generalities for the sake of brevity. I know not all cops are bad, but the ones that are need to be addressed not only from the inside but from all of us.
<<

xeo

User avatar

Catministrator
Catministrator

Posts: 2127

Joined: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:30 am

Location: East Coast, USA

Post Wed May 28, 2014 5:53 pm

Re: Crime? if theres no law

I think mdc nailed an important point that everyone seems to miss. I couldn't agree more. This doesn't just apply to police authority, but to just about every other thing in the world. We have definitely sold ourselves short and love to exploit our own kind for our own gain whether this be on a personal instance, country level or global corporation level, it is happening and the greed and evil sustains itself ad infinitum. Unfortunately I think we are far too down the rabbit hole to pull ourselves out.

The only glimmer of hope I have is that newer generations understand these problems and when they take power, they work to reverse it. There are definitely good people out there (good police officers, to stick with the theme of this thread) but they are rarely shown in the "news". Instead we see the negativity, which usually is always grotesquely negative. I can see where the hatred of police officers comes from, as I have experienced some of it myself.

Stay vigilant.
Image
The code is hidden in the tumblers. One position opens the lock, another position opens one of these doors...
http://www.youtube.com/xeotech1

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

░░░░░░░░░░░░░Image
<<

rerun12

User avatar

Contributor
Contributor

Posts: 434

Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:32 pm

Location: Connecticut

Post Wed May 28, 2014 7:59 pm

Re: Crime? if theres no law

this is a great discussion and ive enjoyed reading everyones thoughts and opinions. what do you guys suggest we do to turn things around? i don't see much difference between the two major political parties and they don't let anyone else into the debates. we've been cornered by people with far more money and resources and i think that's why most have become apathetic. we're handed this illusion of being able to choose our own our leaders and people just want to raise they're kids and go to ballgames and not be troubled by the idea that 9/11 wasn't what we were told it was it was and the DHS is one scary fucking entity and all that. ive had this conversation with my father and his take is that "most people dont want to hear all that." i hate that answer but its probably true. sadly i think it's all just a part of our evolution and people will make the same mistakes over and over again. it's frustrating but feeding into the negativity with more negativity wont correct the problem either. it must be so ridiculously easy for the bad folks running things to pull a string and set everything back whenever it suits them. its important to have a forum for this type of discussion but whats the solution? wait and hope sounds good to me..i just hope its enough.
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.
<<

rai

Contributor
Contributor

Posts: 561

Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:52 pm

Location: minneapolis

Post Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:09 pm

Re: Crime? if theres no law

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/24/a_swat_ ... r_old_son/

this is for you squirrel, be proud of it
<<

Alaphablue

The only difference between me and this crazy island is that I'm a madman!
The only difference between me and this crazy island is that I'm a madman!

Posts: 396

Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:08 pm

Location: Nova Scotia

Post Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:17 pm

Re: Crime? if theres no law

There are a lot of police on power trips, walking assholes this is a fact . Some people are not fit mentally to take the stress of being a cop and yet there cops . In every field were a person is given power ie judges , prison guards ,cops , bouncers there are assholes just waiting to fuck with people for a living . The real problem is the hiring , pay, training police officers should be the best of te best it is the structure that is at fault no accountability self policing of police . Police are going to protect there own they depend on each outer ever day and build strong relationships . There need to be a change in how policing is structured cops who break the law should be handled like the army courts. Stiff penilties to discourage corruption .


There are plenty of great cops some who get off on catching real criminals protecting there fellow citizens . I know a RCMP officer who became a cop cause his mother was beaten his whole child hood he is one of the most genuine people i have met . Just remember there are all kinds of cops beat cops ,vice cops , detectives who hunt pedos online , to blanket them all as scum is about as ignorant as one can get . Throw shit at the ones who make the rules who enable corruption who silence and punish cops who speak out and whistle blow there the cause there the ones who make the police into gov inforcers critical infrastructure security .

Cheering at cops getting shot on your streets makes you sound like a clown death is no joke . It was likey writen with out much thought or truth in it on the cuff so to speak .
<<

escher7

Active Member

Posts: 696

Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:20 am

Location: Canada

Post Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:16 pm

Re: Crime? if theres no law

Wow! Lots of pent-up anger here. Venting is OK but cops, like any group, have good and bad. Three RCMP died recently in Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada just because some wanna be Rambo ambushed them for no reason. And then there were the police shot in Las Vegas by two crazies. Anyone rejoicing over their deaths is just as sick as the shooters. True that there is not much worse than power tripping cops because of the power society gives them. I have been handcuffed so tight that the feeling in my hands didn't come back for weeks, but I have also caught breaks because of good cops. Generalizations about any group are by their very nature flawed and everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
Meanwhile, play the game and do the "Yes sir, no sir" thing and you should be fine.
<<

UnlockD

User avatar

Familiar Face

Posts: 164

Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:48 pm

Location: London, Ontario, Canada

Post Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:16 am

Re: Crime? if theres no law

I agree with the 2 comments above. Some are genuine assholes who make up their own laws. Others, are just doing their job. I've worked with police officers and humane society field agents and the police were super nice/kind to me and showed me no disrespect. That being said I've dealt with some real asshole officers of 'the law' before so I know where this anger comes from.
<<

GringoLocksmith

Familiar Face

Posts: 249

Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:12 pm

Location: Gringolandia

Post Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:04 am

Re: Crime? if theres no law

To the extent that the police are corrupt, it's because we allow them to be. For those of us who live in nice neighborhoods and maybe have light skin, it's easy to shrug about the police abusing their power in poorer parts of town. As long as no one's breaking into our cars and our homes and the authorities aren't roughing us up or shooting flares at our infant children, it seems like they're doing an acceptable job.
<<

rai

Contributor
Contributor

Posts: 561

Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:52 pm

Location: minneapolis

Post Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:57 pm

Re: Crime? if theres no law

Too many paramilitary thugs these days, real police are a thing of the past. This is what happens when "WAR" is declared on some problem. much of crime is iatrogenic created by bad laws or people trained to treat civilians as the enemy and of course the real problem is that they are supposedly self policing, which means every deadly mistake is covered up until the youtube video appears then the coverup gets more complicated, but it is still covered up.
The job should not be a sinecure where career change only happens to those who object to the thieving thugging etc. The good ones quit when they see the system is utterly corrupt
<<

escher7

Active Member

Posts: 696

Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:20 am

Location: Canada

Post Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:25 pm

Re: Crime? if theres no law

Rai! Stop using those big words.

To save others from looking up the following:
("iatrogenic" = inadvertently) ("sinecure" = an office or position that involves little or no work)
PreviousNext

Return to Current Events

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CommonCrawl [Bot]

Don't forget to visit our sponsors for all of your lockpicking needs!
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Grop
"CA Black" theme designed by stsoftware