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nozza36 wrote:Looks amazing

nozza36 wrote:Uk law is a nuisance as guns are banned but criminals all seem to have them !

nozza36 wrote: I would like to take a sort of beginners class to familiarise myself with side arms
if i ever get to the states , would love to do that here , but i don't think customs would be too pleased with me picking up a practice piece and ammo !

Aedalas wrote:Age old argument there buddy. I feel real sorry for you guys. I can see why lawmakers would try that approach, but I don't understand why they don't repeal it when it's proven to not work.

Arctor wrote:

Aedalas wrote:Age old argument there buddy. I feel real sorry for you guys. I can see why lawmakers would try that approach, but I don't understand why they don't repeal it when it's proven to not work.

Not sure how accurate this is but most site seem to be similar statistics.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/194/number_of_gun_homicides/192


Not against owning a gun btw, I just think we need stronger regulations... as in not being able to purchase guns at a gun show without a background check etc.

mdchurchill wrote:
For one thing I do not believe for one second that the UK has only had 18 gun related homicides. For another thing does this remove legal homicide from the equation or is that also in the numbers? I'd also be curious to know how many edge weapons were used in the UK to commit homicides. But in general this is how I feel about statistics.

Arctor wrote:

mdchurchill wrote:
For one thing I do not believe for one second that the UK has only had 18 gun related homicides. For another thing does this remove legal homicide from the equation or is that also in the numbers? I'd also be curious to know how many edge weapons were used in the UK to commit homicides. But in general this is how I feel about statistics.

Well its different each year... as you can see in this article http://www.juancole.com/2011/01/over-9000-murders-by-gun-in-us-39-in-uk.html

Not sure what you mean by legal homicide... but if it does then the number would be much higher in the US just the same.

I am sure the US has comparable knife crimes, so that point is completely irrelevant.

mdchurchill wrote:Now I could never afford to get one again.

Aedalas wrote:Their carbines look pretty nice. I'm sure I'm going to end up with one (or all) of them soon enough. Honestly this time I could have afforded to spend a good bit more on one but I just really like these, they definitely have a customer for life here.

mdchurchill wrote:
The point about edge weapons is not irrelevant. It takes into account that the absence of firearms does not make for a more peaceful society. In fact if you go back in the FBI crime statistics since the majority of states started allowing concealed carrying violent crimes in those states have gone down.

Arctor wrote:

mdchurchill wrote:
The point about edge weapons is not irrelevant. It takes into account that the absence of firearms does not make for a more peaceful society. In fact if you go back in the FBI crime statistics since the majority of states started allowing concealed carrying violent crimes in those states have gone down.

When discussing gun homicides it is irrelevant... it wouldn't be if the lack of guns made murder by edged weapon scale up to compensate, but that is not the case. The only point in mentioning it is to distract from the fact that murder by guns is dramatically lower when they are not legal.

Just imagine if we had no gun regulations and anyone with a criminal/mental background could purchase one from Wal-mart... do you think gun crimes would go up or stay the same?

Once again... not against guns being legal.