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Goso 23pc Pickset, UKBumpKeys.com

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GutterClown

Post Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:43 am

Goso 23pc Pickset, UKBumpKeys.com

I've heard some good things about this pick set, so I thought I'd buy one to find out what all the fuss is about.

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My first impressions were the automotive picks are big. Real big. The tips on some are just too big for my liking.
Like the double-hollow diamond offset. I tried that in multiple locks I've got laying around the shop, and couldn't find a single one it would fit in.
(EDIT: Sorry, I did get it into a Holden Commodore ignition, which is a track-key)

Similar story for the 'automotive turning tool'. Awesome outward spring on the tips, but although it has two different sized ends, I couldn't even get the smaller one into a keyway.
I could modify both the tools to work, but I shouldn't have to for a brand new product.
By my guess, to get both the turning tool and one of the Goso picks into a vehicle cylinder, the keyway would have to be so big it would be easier to set the wafers with your fingers.


The in-line pin cylinder picks suffer the same probliem. The tips are just so darn big, but Thick too. In Australia, we use alot of LW4 profiles. 85% of houses have a 5pin LW4 mortice cylinder (201). So what better to test it on?
I once again tested the hollow half-diamond, with a turning tool of my own.
This pick has both a notch on both the tip and the crest of the diamond, allowing for individual pin setting either way the pick is inserted.
Alas, I pushed to the rear of the cylinder and the pick got stuck. I've never gotten a pick stuck in a lock, but this one was stuck fast. I had to remove the tailpiece and manipulate it with another pick to remove the Goso hollow half-diamond.

This could be fixed by thinning down the pick, and maybe making the tips smaller. I think that because of the thickness, the tip moved into a pin hole and was wedged in there by the pressure of the profile.


The dimple pick is a unique one. I don't have much experience with dimple locks, apart from the KABA gemini and KABA 20S systems I work with at the local prison. I had a few new cylinders laying around that I tried with the dimple pick, but I didn't have much hope for it anyway.
Probably good for some older Mul-T-Lock or something, but nothing of quality.


I noticed that some of the slimline hooks are alot thinner than the rest of the picks. I would love to see the whole pickset come in this thickness.


With some modifing, I could get the hook picks and automotive picks\tention tool working, I don't know about the hollow-half-diamond though.
The dimple pick is useless to me, so I can't rate it. The double-half ball seems to work as per usual. The in-line pin cylinder turning tools are unusual, the smaller one in this set is equal to the largest in my day-to-day set. The larger one will need to be modified to work at all.


Overall rating is 4.5 out of 10
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Site Admin

Post Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:23 pm

Re: Goso 23pc Pickset, UKBumpKeys.com

Very good, fair, well written review.

Good job GutterClown.

Lew
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Post Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:03 pm

Re: Goso 23pc Pickset, UKBumpKeys.com

GutterClown wrote:I've heard some good things about this pick set, so I thought I'd buy one to find out what all the fuss is about.

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My first impressions were the automotive picks are big. Real big. The tips on some are just too big for my liking.
Like the double-hollow diamond offset. I tried that in multiple locks I've got laying around the shop, and couldn't find a single one it would fit in.
(EDIT: Sorry, I did get it into a Holden Commodore ignition, which is a track-key)

Similar story for the 'automotive turning tool'. Awesome outward spring on the tips, but although it has two different sized ends, I couldn't even get the smaller one into a keyway.
I could modify both the tools to work, but I shouldn't have to for a brand new product.
By my guess, to get both the turning tool and one of the Goso picks into a vehicle cylinder, the keyway would have to be so big it would be easier to set the wafers with your fingers.


The in-line pin cylinder picks suffer the same probliem. The tips are just so darn big, but Thick too. In Australia, we use alot of LW4 profiles. 85% of houses have a 5pin LW4 mortice cylinder (201). So what better to test it on?
I once again tested the hollow half-diamond, with a turning tool of my own.
This pick has both a notch on both the tip and the crest of the diamond, allowing for individual pin setting either way the pick is inserted.
Alas, I pushed to the rear of the cylinder and the pick got stuck. I've never gotten a pick stuck in a lock, but this one was stuck fast. I had to remove the tailpiece and manipulate it with another pick to remove the Goso hollow half-diamond.

This could be fixed by thinning down the pick, and maybe making the tips smaller. I think that because of the thickness, the tip moved into a pin hole and was wedged in there by the pressure of the profile.


The dimple pick is a unique one. I don't have much experience with dimple locks, apart from the KABA gemini and KABA 20S systems I work with at the local prison. I had a few new cylinders laying around that I tried with the dimple pick, but I didn't have much hope for it anyway.
Probably good for some older Mul-T-Lock or something, but nothing of quality.


I noticed that some of the slimline hooks are alot thinner than the rest of the picks. I would love to see the whole pickset come in this thickness.


With some modifing, I could get the hook picks and automotive picks\tention tool working, I don't know about the hollow-half-diamond though.
The dimple pick is useless to me, so I can't rate it. The double-half ball seems to work as per usual. The in-line pin cylinder turning tools are unusual, the smaller one in this set is equal to the largest in my day-to-day set. The larger one will need to be modified to work at all.


Overall rating is 4.5 out of 10



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Post Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:57 pm

Re: Goso 23pc Pickset, UKBumpKeys.com

I assume he wanted to give them a try. I own hpc picks but I would still like to try goso just for the experience.
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Post Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:40 am

Re: Goso 23pc Pickset, UKBumpKeys.com

Romstar wrote:Moose has a few of these from Foley-Belsaw. That's who makes them, Kaba-Ilco.


I loved my free picks from Foley-Belsaw. For being plain old picks they last forever! Like honestly, I've screwed them up now, but had I taken a bit better care of them, they'd be in perfect condition still.

Though, do let me say, they were picks I used to start off on. I didn't intentionally hurt them, but when you have hands that work like a bowl of semi-hard jello, things don't last, even once you change your ways. :P
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Post Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:25 pm

Re: Goso 23pc Pickset, UKBumpKeys.com

Romstar wrote: The first "professional" pick set I owned was made by ESP.


Didn't know anyone knew who they were. This was my first set ever...

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Think I've had them for ~15 years.

As for the Goso set, I appreciate the honest review. I noticed the same problem with size using the Kloms. Since they seem to use similar wafer pick templates I was worried that they would suffer the same drawbacks.

I really like the hook variety in the Kloms though (Use them 95% of the time anyway) so I'm excited to see how Goso's stack up. Will be sure to hijack this thread once they arrive. :D
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