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Post Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:47 pm

Looking for a GOOD disc deatainer pick

i bought a couple of these chinese picks but even after modding the hell outta them i can seem to pop this abus ive been battling all day. does anyone know of a vendor who sells quality disc picks?
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Post Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:51 pm

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Post Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:56 pm

Re: Looking for a GOOD disc deatainer pick

What Abus is it?
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Post Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:04 pm

Re: Looking for a GOOD disc deatainer pick

If you're trying to pop a Abus Granit series disc detainer lock, or any of the Abus Plus cylinders, with a cheap Chinese detainer pick, you're using the wrong tool, sir.

I have a spare Abus Granit pick, if you're interested. PM me, if that's what you're looking for.
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Post Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:27 pm

Re: Looking for a GOOD disc deatainer pick

thanks guys, for all the replies.

its an abus 88/40..im getting close though, might not need a new tool afterall.
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Post Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:11 pm

Re: Looking for a GOOD disc deatainer pick

The problem with the Chinese style picks is the absence of graduations indicating depth, making them essential totally skill dependant. Lockwicki shows one design which is an improvement as are the purpose built Abus, Abloy picks, as they do indicate depth. But at the end of the day skill counts for a lot with all designs.

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Post Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:33 pm

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And of course the version of the lock assuming you have the right tool for it !

Top tension placement, bottom tension, variable tension, anti-tension discs ...........

All of the above will effect the tool you can use and whether or not you can pick it at all.
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Post Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:47 pm

Re: Looking for a GOOD disc deatainer pick

So I think it is an Abus Plus mech in there.

As such you will have difficulty picking it open. It is possible though. I do not have one but I am guessing that it needs top tension (so the disc deepest intro the lock) but might also pick tensioning any disc. The disc you use to tension will have to be set last (presuming it is not a 0 cut) and the tension to pick it will have to come from the pick head on a 0 cut...if that makes sense?
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Post Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:10 pm

Re: Looking for a GOOD disc deatainer pick

huxleypig wrote:So I think it is an Abus Plus mech in there.

As such you will have difficulty picking it open. It is possible though. I do not have one but I am guessing that it needs top tension (so the disc deepest intro the lock) but might also pick tensioning any disc. The disc you use to tension will have to be set last (presuming it is not a 0 cut) and the tension to pick it will have to come from the pick head on a 0 cut...if that makes sense?


that does make sense. im going to give that a try after remodifying these tools again.

whats most frustrating is ill seem to have 4 or 5 discs set and then i get no feedback from the remaining discs. so ill reset and zero everything out but then i get no feedback from any of the discs at all. half the time im setting discs no problems, the other half i get no feedback whatsoever. and yeah it is and abus plus. i found a youtube video of some kid picking the same lock tensioning from the 1st disc so thats what ive been trying.

thanks for all the help guys. as frustrating as it is, itll feel great to get this thing open. i was popping chinese locks with ease and then this abus brought me back to reality

its not the depth of the discs thats making me lose my head on this lock its the complete randomness of the feedback im getting or not getting. but hey, if it was easy it wouldnt be any fun :)
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Post Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:49 pm

Re: Looking for a GOOD disc deatainer pick

The Abus Plus (or the Granit as it was known) has gone through several re-incarnations. At first it was possible to pick them using the 0 cut at the front of the lock. The they changed it to have the 0 cut at the rear and now the 0 cut to drive the lock can be anywhere, and the front disc just spins, right? With this in mind you may as well tension using the front disc (well, the 2nd disc, the first one that doesn't just spin) and then find the 0 cut to swap tension to the pick head and pick the front disc last. Or at least that is my theory. I have to add that the general principle of using a non-zero front disc to still tension the lock was Solomon's idea, not mine.

I have a Granit and have picked that (I made my own tool but have since gotten the Chinese Abus pick and it works fine) but I do not have a newer one. I would like one. I was thinking maybe a 3 in 1 tool might work, so it did not matter where the 0 driver disc was, you could always have a permanent tension on it and still be able to pick in front and behind it.
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Post Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:44 pm

Re: Looking for a GOOD disc deatainer pick

thanks for the help HP. that all makes alot of sense now and explains most of whats been giving me trouble. i appreciate all the help, everyone.
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