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Post Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:35 am

Re: Oldfast Impressions

Wow, talk about a wicked keyway!!
femurat: They're called restricted for a reason...
Innerpicked: The more keys you carry, the more important you look
GWiens2001: Great video! Learned a lot about what fun can be had with a forklift and a chainsaw.
pmaxey83: but i first have to submit the proper forms for a new hobby to my wife
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Post Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:55 am

Re: Oldfast Impressions

I was just happy to have the correct blank on hand for a change :)
My key blank collection is finally starting to grow... but it's still pretty small.
I still usually don't have the right one for the majority of locks I come across.

jeffmoss26 wrote:Wow, talk about a wicked keyway!!
Yeah, a nice little zig-zag keyway. Wicked looking, but not so much in terms of picking.
Not paracentric, so ya still have a straight shot from bottom to top. Fairly 'roomy' really.
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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:58 pm

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EAGLE push-key lock

This was one of the last locks I was working on before I moved.
Decided to finally reassemble it & take the last few photos needed.
Truly an oldie but goodie! Very solid lock. 2 inches wide, 3 inches tall...
it's surprisingly heavy for its' size. Ya just don't see 'em like this nowadays.

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These locks can be picked or shimmed from the front to open. I've also read that many of these are
easily opened by rapping as well - but I would not recommend this. Most of these are just too "antique"
to be beating the shit out of. And, you run the risk of collapsing a spring or elongating the pin chambers.

Once opened, you can then unscrew the collar and remove the steel strip that serves as a plug retainer.
Some of may know it's not always an easy task to remove the collar unscathed! Just my opinion, but it's
a cardinal sin to to tear through that beautiful deep patina! I've come across some where vice grips were
carelessly used, leaving deep teeth marks that are highlighted by fresh bright brass. Makes me cringe :/

I'd love to hear suggestions as to the best way to remove the collar without damaging it. For example,
looking at this one (where the shackle sets) it appears a sort of '4-way expansion tool' was used in
order to get a good grip. This might be a great way to do it! But what type of tool would this be?

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Oh shit! I nearly forgot to include this gutshot :freakout: Gordon would've never EVER let me live that one down!
Attribute it to the move I guess. After searching waaay back in my phone, I still had it though.... wheeew! :???:
Unlike the Yales, the last pin & chamber are not larger. No serrated or mushroom pins. All pretty standard.

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This lock has been worked on before. Notice the file marks on the plug as well as the top of the pins.
A quick way to adapt the pins to the shearline I suppose. Dunno if I necessarily agree with this
round-about way of doing things, but I suppose this was common practice back in the day.

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Anyway, with the plug and pins out, I use it for my guide as I tediously hand file a key.
Even with the plug & pins right in front of me, I STILL botched my first blank. lol

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One thing I had not anticipated with this lock was the heavy spring force upon the pins.
After reassembling, I found the insertion and removal of the key to be quite rough.
I slowly made the slopes more gradual until the in-out movement was smooth.

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I'm certain this blank is the correct keyway. I'm not so certain if it is of the correct length though.
At any rate, I think Dave will be overjoyed to see this old beast back in business :D

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Post Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:55 pm

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Nice keyway, Mike!

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Post Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:12 am

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Beautiful work as always!
femurat: They're called restricted for a reason...
Innerpicked: The more keys you carry, the more important you look
GWiens2001: Great video! Learned a lot about what fun can be had with a forklift and a chainsaw.
pmaxey83: but i first have to submit the proper forms for a new hobby to my wife
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:28 am

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Hi Oldfast.

How about a Rawlbolt for removing that collar?

http://www.rawlplug.co.za/PDF/PAGE_48%20RAWLBOLT%20SHIELD%20AND%20LOOSE%20BOLT.PDF

If you could fix one into the shackle hole, you could use Vise-grips to grip onto it, and turn the collar.

Great photos, by the way.
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:36 am

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Nice padlock you've got there, Oldfast. I've also seen plugs with their shear lines filed away like that on Euro cylinders. If anything I think it makes picking easier.
If you do not manipulate the lock, then the lock will manipulate you
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:36 pm

Re: Oldfast Impressions

Thanks guys.

And thanks for the link Deadlock! I'll take a look.

mechanical_nightmare wrote:....I've also seen plugs with their shear lines filed away like that on Euro cylinders. If anything I think it makes picking easier.
Agreed. Taking anything from the plug is only going to make our shearline target that much bigger.
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Post Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:01 pm

Re: Oldfast Impressions

My first attempt at 'reading' the wafers by sight.

Using the warding as a reference point, as well as each wafers' relative depth in relation to the others...
I figured bow to tip would be 31313. After referring to my code books, I found the last wafer to actually be
one cut deeper - 31314. Not too bad for a fist try though. And, it gave me a chance to try out my new (old)
key machine. Cut it to code and it works like a charm. Little baby step I know... but exciting for me anyway.

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Post Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:36 pm

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Cut on a machine? Yeah, right Oldfast. Have seen your impressioned/hand filed keys before. You are not fooling anybody. :P

Congrats on cutting your first key on your own machine!

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Post Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:47 pm

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Another feather to your hat.
Congrats Oldfast!

What is that said machine that you used?

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Post Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:50 pm

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Gordon

lol... on the contrary, I fooled everyone! I've had the key machine
for this entire thread. I've never HAND filed a key in my life! :rofl:
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Post Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:52 pm

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Alta.... I picked up an old Foley Belsaw 200 on ebay. Fixed it up real nice. My first :D
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Post Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:58 pm

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Oldfast wrote:Gordon

lol... on the contrary, I fooled everyone! I've had the key machine
for this entire thread. I've never HAND filed a key in my life! :rofl:


:-o :freakout: :spinning: :rant:

:rofl:

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Post Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:09 pm

Re: Oldfast Impressions

Nah, lol.... there'll still be plenty of keys to be hand filed. My S&D sets are still fairly limited.

Besides that, something I've found (especially with old & heavily used locks) is that a
hand filed key tends to work smoother. Cutting a key using the original factory depths
doesn't always turn out to work real smooth. I'm thinking this is due to the wear on the
pins over time. With the pins now slightly shorter, the cuts need to be slightly shallower.
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