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Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:33 am
by femurat
I'm going to buy a few blanks to keep handy for impressioning. I was going to buy a dozen off ebay but I thought it is wiser to ask for advice here.
I think I need a few CISA, Corbin and Yale.
Is there a good website to check profiles? For example, I know I want a Silca UL 050 that fits a lock I have, but I'm not sure about equivalents I've found for sale.
Also, is the Y1 a good choice for Yale? Or there's a longer one that may fit both the 5 and 6 pins locks?

Thanks :)

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:56 am
by femurat
Also, if anybody knows which blank would fit my castell padlock... viewtopic.php?f=111&t=11554

Thanks :)

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:01 am
by Werewolf
You can download Silca's key blank catalog from their site.
For Cisa , your best bet is the CS206 , corbin CB6 , Yale is the YA1 or YA226. Those are the standard keyways.
Don't use UL050 unless you can find a better blank. That is the universal profile and it is quite thin. thicker blanks are more durable.

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:00 pm
by femurat
Thanks, that's exactly the answer I was looking for.

Isn't the UL050 a better choice for impressioning? If it's thinner it should wiggle more. Of course I'll have to copy it to a thicker blank for everyday use.

Cheers :)

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:36 pm
by macgng

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:10 pm
by WestCoastPicks
I think he means it's thinner as in, you'll get more breaks while impressioning. If you're good at it and don't get many breaks, it probably won't be an issue.

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:15 am
by selim
Your right, but the thinner blank is made to pass a few different keyway's. I think it's called multi - plex

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:55 am
by femurat
Thanks to all for the additional info. I usually don't break blanks, but I've just broken a shim... inside a lock obviously. I managed to partially open it and remove the piece that got stuck inside the first pin chamber. I'll look for the other piece later since it's not causing trouble.

Cheers :)

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:23 am
by Werewolf
selim wrote:Your right, but the thinner blank is made to pass a few different keyway's. I think it's called multi - plex


Not exactely.
Multi-plexing is when a lock manufacturer designs several blanks and a master blank that fits all of them. It's used in (large) master key systems.
Usually these blanks have generally the same shape , but some of the ridges (wards) are different. The master blank just has less of (or none of) the ridges.

In this situation , it's several different keyways from various manufacturers. Silca and other key blank companies make a blank that fits in a lot of different , but similar keyways.
These blanks are much thinner than the original blanks. That is why they are more likely to break in daily use. They should be ok for impressioning , if you're carefull.

Have a look at the Ultra-Lite keys that Silca has. They are made from a softer aluminium alloy , they should be easier to impression with. But again , not recommended for daily use.

The UL050 will probably not fit the Corbin lock. They have a different keyway than most.

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:08 pm
by GWiens2001
Werewolf wrote:
selim wrote:Your right, but the thinner blank is made to pass a few different keyway's. I think it's called multi - plex


Not exactely.
Multi-plexing is when a lock manufacturer designs several blanks and a master blank that fits all of them. It's used in (large) master key systems.
Usually these blanks have generally the same shape , but some of the ridges (wards) are different. The master blank just has less of (or none of) the ridges.

In this situation , it's several different keyways from various manufacturers. Silca and other key blank companies make a blank that fits in a lot of different , but similar keyways.
These blanks are much thinner than the original blanks. That is why they are more likely to break in daily use. They should be ok for impressioning , if you're carefull.

Have a look at the Ultra-Lite keys that Silca has. They are made from a softer aluminium alloy , they should be easier to impression with. But again , not recommended for daily use.

The UL050 will probably not fit the Corbin lock. They have a different keyway than most.


I'e be worried about the aluminum clogging up my file. Yes I have and use a file card, but still aluminum does like to clog.

Gordon

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:18 pm
by femurat
I agree Gordon, I only have one #4 Swiss file and I don't want to use it on anything but brass!

I ended up buying some YA6, CS206, YA226 and some Viro profiles. All of them should be brass if the seller has them listed correctly.

Cheers :)

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:47 pm
by Shifty1
I've impressioned quite a few locks and in my experience nickel plated keys are fine for pin tumbler impressioning. Brass keys are at the heart of the matter. As to key makers well anything short of aluminum keys are ok. I would caution about using similarly warded, loose fitting keys. By this I mean say using kwikset blanks to impression weiser locks. You want to keep things proprietary by way of fit to achieve proper marks.

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:45 am
by femurat
Shifty1 wrote:You want to keep things proprietary by way of fit to achieve proper marks.


I try to do that if I can. Sometimes I use what I have handy.

Cheers :)

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:53 pm
by MrAnybody
femurat wrote:I agree Gordon, I only have one #4 Swiss file and I don't want to use it on anything but brass!

I ended up buying some YA6, CS206, YA226 and some Viro profiles. All of them should be brass if the seller has them listed correctly.

Cheers :)


You got a link to the retailer you bought your brass blanks? I've not seen Viro profiles in brass. I'd definitely like a few.

Re: Help me choose some blanks to buy

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:12 pm
by femurat
Now that you mention it, the keys were listed as brass but probably aren't. These are all chrome plated so I doubt it's brass. How can I be sure?