"The Ultimate Lock"

[the lockpickkid]

So what's the deal with this lock? Pop-a-lock don't impress me much, I bet a regular locksmith with some experience could get these somehow. Anyone??

[Solomon]

This one is even better. Quote "The following video presents pop-a-lock's top 1% of pickers in the nation to try and get into the lock through lock picking methods."

http://www.youtube.com/user/millenniumlock?feature=pyv&ad=3864065441&kw=ultimate%20lock&gclid=CJmxg5zUrp0CFSANDQodRBlXig#p/u/0/JH87oD_zkhk

Those are the top 1% of pickers? They didn't seem to grasp proper terminology, let alone picking skills... what I did see was sloppy at best. I'm not the best at SPP myelf, but come on.

I wanna see technical diagrams of this lock. I didn't see or hear one single bit of information on how it prevents picking... as a matter of fact, I didn't even see a demonstration that the locks were even functional with the correct key. For all we know the damn things were all rigged.

I think we should email these guys and request to do an independant test of this lock to see how pick proof it really is. Reckon they'd hand out a freebie or two? I doubt we'd even get a reply.

[the lockpickkid]

This one is even better. Quote "The following video presents pop-a-lock's top 1% of pickers in the nation to try and get into the lock through lock picking methods."

http://www.youtube.com/user/millenniumlock?feature=pyv&ad=3864065441&kw=ultimate%20lock&gclid=CJmxg5zUrp0CFSANDQodRBlXig#p/u/0/JH87oD_zkhk

Those are the top 1% of pickers? They didn't seem to grasp proper terminology, let alone picking skills... what I did see was sloppy at best. I'm not the best at SPP myelf, but come on.

I wanna see technical diagrams of this lock. I didn't see or hear one single bit of information on how it prevents picking... as a matter of fact, I didn't even see a demonstration that the locks were even functional with the correct key. For all we know the damn things were all rigged.

I think we should email these guys and request to do an independant test of this lock to see how pick proof it really is. Reckon they'd hand out a freebie or two? I doubt we'd even get a reply.

Email them and find out!! Some of these companies will do a few handouts for testing, I doubt they would, but it isn't uncommon.

Indeed, very sloppy. Poor drilling techniques. Incorrect drill sizes and dodgy methods of cylinder extraction (dremel? seriously?)

The "impassable" deadlock function can be bypassed by drilling a hole through the door to push the button out of the lockbolt.

[Solomon]

These things don't appear to be pick resistant at all. From their website:

(Ultimate lock 3000 residential series)

* Withstands up to 4000 lbs of force
* Special engineered steel strike plate
* Super hardened steel security bar
* Patented lockout feature
* High-security 6-pin anti-bump keylock

I'm gonna email them and ask what kind of security pins the lock is fitted with. If it has serrated key pins aswell as drivers, then I'll be convinced that it is difficult to pick. There's a difference between tricky and downright hard. I'm guessing it has 3-4 security drivers max, and they're more likely to be regular spools than serrations. I guess we'll see.

There is a "tech details" page on the site, which doesn't show us inside the cylinder (or even mention it). If this was an "unpickable" lock, they would proudly be displaying the features which make it so. All they talk about is how strong the lock is, that it can't be bumped, and that there is a button which renders the lock useless even with the correct key. What is the point of this feature? The owner has to activate this from the inside... in what situation does someone need to stop their lock from working entirely? Keep in mind that it's the strongest and most pick proof lock on the planet... something is very wrong if the manufacturers feel this is a worthwhile feature.

There is no need for this button. Presumably if they see someone trying to pick their lock, they are to activate this switch to render the lock useless - doesn't say much for the pick resistance of the cylinder, does it? I don't get it. I mean if the lock is so hard to pick, aswell as strong, why is this feature even necessary? It effectively turns your house into a panic room - except that it has shitloads of windows of course. It's laughable.

From the images, the key looks like an SC1. Huge keyway... and if it's a basic 6-pin "anti-bump" cylinder, it should definately still be pickable. Unless of course it's an ASSA, but I can't remember the last time I saw an SC keyway on one of those.

The guys in that video clearly didn't have a clue what they were doing. It was entertaining, I guess.

The first guy is like, "Our locks cannot be picked! This is the top 1% of lock pickers, don't worry about what organisation they belong to, they all fit the stereotype of what a criminal looks like so they must be experts at picking locks. Let's see if they can pick our lock."

Cut to new guy, "Oh wow this lock is hard, I can't pick it despite the way I jiggle my tools around with a look of feigned concentration on my face."

I guess at this point the viewers are in a state of awe, "wow these guys can't pick those locks". I guess it doesn't cross their minds that these guys were perhaps brought in from the bus stop across the street, given some matching shirts and paid to watch a presentation then pretend to be experts themselves on camera.

Then we get another guy who explains how bump keys work... I don't see how even the average person who doesn't know a thing about locks would think this guy knows his stuff. It looks like he's trying to remember a bunch of info he saw in a crappy powerpoint presentation. He has a basic grasp of the concept at best.

Anyway, that's enough venting for now. I'm gonna email these guys and ask them some stuff. Will report back!

[HallisChalmers]

Presumably if they see someone trying to pick their lock, they are to activate this switch to render the lock useless - doesn't say much for the pick resistance of the cylinder, does it? I don't get it. I mean if the lock is so hard to pick, aswell as strong, why is this feature even necessary? It effectively turns your house into a panic room - except that it has shitloads of windows of course. It's laughable.

I don't have time for buttons.

Trust me, if I'm in my house and I hear some guy jiggling my front door trying to pick the lock - he's gonna get a face full of 12 ga 00 buckshot coming through the door from the "Widowmaker" - my Remington 870 riot gun.

I don't like playing fair.

[ToolyMcgee]

The pop-a-lock in the black shirt says, "I installed one of these, and I told the guy if your wife puts you out the door, even if you have the key you ain't gettin' in. So be nice." So how do you pick a lock that won't open with the key. Snap gun?

[the lockpickkid]

Not all, but most of these Pop-a-Lock guys are very inexperienced, they are known drill people, they are taught methods that just make money, no matter how. If you took the top 1% of say 20 locksmiths, who all had 15 or more years of experience, I am going to say that they wouldn't have had any problem getting through these locks.

[Solomon]

Not all, but most of these Pop-a-Lock guys are very inexperienced, they are known drill people, they are taught methods that just make money, no matter how. If you took the top 1% of say 20 locksmiths, who all had 15 or more years of experience, I am going to say that they wouldn't have had any problem getting through these locks.

Pop-a-lock sounds like the US version of Dyno Locks. They're driller killers and nothing else. Top 1% of pickers my arse!

The pop-a-lock in the black shirt says, "I installed one of these, and I told the guy if your wife puts you out the door, even if you have the key you ain't gettin' in. So be nice." So how do you pick a lock that won't open with the key. Snap gun?

Can't be opened at all from the outside, from what I gather the button is pressed and it blocks the plug from rotating. The guys in the video probably weren't informed that the button was clicked into place. Not exactly a fair demonstration of pick resistance when they're trying to pick a lock which doesn't even turn, especially when the guys picking them probably weren't able to tell that the pins were set and something else was actually blocking the rotation.

Pretty funny when you think about it though, they're marketing this like some amazing device which stops people picking the lock "OR EVEN USING THE CORRECT KEY!!!!" as if it's a new technology. Every night latch in the history of night latches has a friggin snib on it. Those do the exact same thing.

So basically it's a regular night latch style deadbolt, except it's extremely strong. If they marketed it as the worlds strongest deadbolt I wouldn't mind, they'd still sell a hell of a lot... but all this song and dance about their product, overhyping it and trying to scare people just doesn't fly with me. I emailed the companys UK distributor as there is no direct email address available for them, asking about the security pins which are in them. If they reply, you'll see it here.

OOH! We should get Marc Tobias in on this. No doubt he'll get a good laugh out of it.

[ToolyMcgee]

There is already a keypicking member that is hot on the trail of debunking this pick resistant, bump proof lock. I'm sure he'll let us know what he finds.

[the lockpickkid]

There is already a keypicking member that is hot on the trail of debunking this pick resistant, bump proof lock. I'm sure he'll let us know what he finds.

One guess Tooly?? I know a guy on here that researches this stuff!!

[KokomoLock]

Not only is it pickable, but fairly easy to pick. 6 pin SC4 key, only 3 security drivers, no security key pins. Even came with 2 stickers to scare away the bad guys.









As you can see hopefully the spool pins are really, really shallow and don't make it that much harder to pick. Next step is to pick it on video and post on youtube and send a link to Pop-A-Lock and Ultimate Lock and see what they say.

[KokomoLock]

Anyone want the super stickers let me know..

[HallisChalmers]

Not only is it pickable, but fairly easy to pick. 6 pin SC4 key, only 3 security drivers, no security key pins. Even came with 2 stickers to scare away the bad guys.

As you can see hopefully the spool pins are really, really shallow and don't make it that much harder to pick. Next step is to pick it on video and post on youtube and send a link to Pop-A-Lock and Ultimate Lock and see what they say.

Excellent job KokomoLock - I do love lock porn. And you have some great porn there. Can't wait to see the video - and comments from Pop-A-Lock!

[Solomon]

BAM! Seems like my hypothesis was spot on. What a crock. We need to get one of these picked live on camera, straight from the packaging, then stripped to show the internals to prove there was no tampering. By the looks of this, it could be picked in under 5 minutes by any of us pretty damn easily.

Let's friggin do this!