tpark wrote:Mrpharmer2012: If you tell me what spacing you're looking for, I can examine the blocks I have and tell you which one has your spacing. I only use the block as a guide to get me to the right general spacing, so if you're a bit handy you can make your own block and mark the spacings you need with a sharpie. Since the carriage moves 50 thou each rotation, the sharpie marks will be close enough for you to dial the spacing in.
With the Framon machine you're setting the actual cut depth rather than trying to get the needle lined up on a card. Of course, when setting up systems, it's easier to work with integers as depth values, but being able to cut any depth is handy. The upside is that you don't really need the blue book - if you have the HPC D&S table, it contains all the information you need for common jobs, and information for many less common locks. The generic cutter profile will work for many jobs - I bought specific Schlage, Sargent, Cisa and SFIC cutters, but you can probably get away without that - I guess theoretically you'd have potential problems at MACS with the wrong cutter but I think the generic cutter works in most cases.
That link to the operations PDF posted earlier contains the relevant operating information for the machine that isn't D&S data, so with that you have all the data you need to cut keys.
Thank You
I reached out to Phil at Framon and he was nice enough to provide them to me, so if anyone else needs the info here it is, you would think they would post this on website so you knew which blocks to purchase.
Block #1: .093, .170, .095, .045, .125, .050, .140, .055, .156, .060, .164, FD84
Block #2: VB1, VB2, .120, .128, .130, .135, .138, .150, .165, .175, .155, .160
Block #3: .080, .086, .110, .115, .102, .105, .099, .100, .094, .098, .090, .092
Block #4: Bi-Ax, .146, .106, .108, .088, .104, .0845, .087, .082, .084, MERC TR, STER
Block #5: .145, .097, .155, .0985, .129, .096, .126, .091, .119, .085, .118, .083
Block #6: KIA Y, .067, .157, .1615, TCX, .079, .122, T10, .103, .250, .141, .190
I have only used the framon once over the summer about 5 yrs ago when I made the medeco code setting keys and had the opportunity to pick up this machine for $100 and $20 shipping it is in bad shape but will make a nice project for my side work, I have the Ilco Universal II but having to have the card is a pain at times. I have the few printed from instacode that I use all the time but have always wanted to get the framon back, If I get this one up and going nicely I may offload the Ilco and just use the framon, will get much more accurate keys.