Oh thats not a problem, the bits I hoped would get some discussion didn't seem to catch on, on that thread,
what I liked was Clive Robinsons speculation on aspergers syndrome and how this fits in. Clive has three posts in that comments thread.
First he mentions that relationships of trust break down and recriminations get ugly. He mentions marriage.
I have a copy of Schneiers book "liars and Outliers" and while reading it a while back I was remembering reading some book by buckminster fuller, in which he mentions that "outlaws" will create new things because they do not have the rigid mindset of "experts" and therefore do not know all the arguements on why something cannot be done.
I had some further thoughts about trust and relationships. The rigidity of some thinking does not take into account the different points of view of other people who have more or less at stake. As religion would have it, all are sinners, people and society depend on trust, and some are just bad apples, This is a somewhat black and white view, there are shades of grey, what is important to one person is less important to the person who might be trusted with it. whether it be locking a door, or not telling something to a certain person, whenever you trust, you expose yourself to some betrayal, and the person you trust may tell to someone whom they trust, but that person will have a different position on the whole thing. Actually I had some of these thoughts while reading this mornings paper an article about some scandal among republicans at the state legislator, what someone admitted to one person was told to another by that one and politics was played in a power struggle.
The X files opened with the statement "trust no one", is that the equivalent of "distrust everyone" Of course you have to trust people, the guy at the store will give you correct change most of the time but if he makes a mistake, is he dishonest?
Ultimately you should trust people to be what you know them to be. Trust a liar to lie, its what they practice. If you don't know someone very well, you might ask a lot of questions to try to establish trust.
If you have water problems in your basement you hire the guy who says he knows how to fix it. but does he understand your own particular case of water leakage? You can onlly hope he is good at what he does, Do you ask a lot of questions before you let the dentist drill off some of your teeth, maybe hes just looking to buy a fishing boat with the money. You don't know enough about dentistry to ask the relevant questions so you just trust him to do whats right.
then there are police and judges, both are positions of trust with long histories of corruption and special interest dealings, Does power corrupt? how do we trust politicians, most know that they are liars and special interest dealers
I think that trust is simply not applicable to strangers of any type, and in situations like marriage, where the other person is intimately known, and perhaps trusted depending on how you percieve them, things can change, trust can be used to betray, long before the truth gets know, (schwartzenegger)
the link I saw to the amanda posts was about the possibility of mental illness being part of the seriousness of the betrayal, given that she had no support and sympathy at home, but others pointed out that the person who did the harm to her was a complete jerk who will never be any more than the lowest sort. and they were right,
I shouldn't type so much free association in the mornings