What do locksmith certification documents look like

[abroxis]

I have often wondered what the real ids look like from Aola and other locksmith organisations.

Joe Shmuck could print up anything and most people would never know the
difference.


Came across a locksmith that displays all his "paperwork" online

If you have never seen the offical certificate and id from Aloa, Satva and several others that are specific to China you may find it interesting.


http://www.caoshilock.com.cn/renzheng/renzheng.html

[abroxis]

This point has been discussed and debated on a number of sites. It may be a strange technicality or if things go horribly wrong your worst nightmare.


The Criminal Code of Canada requires any one in possesion of CERTAIN lockpicks to have a license.

Automobile Master Keys to be more specific. However they then defined
these keys to be

automobile master key” includes a key, pick, rocker key or other instrument designed or adapted to operate the ignition or other switches or locks of a series of motor vehicles

Many of the common picks could be used to work on motor vehicles.

However only certain provinces have choosen to issue said licenses
(BC, Alberta, Sask).

The law requires a license which most provinces don't issue. ONLY in Canada eh.

Never theless anyone in Canada should be aware of this law and understand how it may or may not impact on them.

I have never heard of anyone being charged under this section but do you want to be the big test case if you run into a police constable in a bad mood.

picklicense.jpg

Here is the text that appears on this license
Alberta Solicitor General

Automobile Master Key License
Company
Purchase and Possess

Name: John Q Public

Employed by: JQ Locksmith Inc.

Date of issue: March 21, 2008
Expires: March 20, 2013


Signed by Deputy Minister of Justice /Deputy Attorney General

This autorizes the person named above to purchase and have in his or her
possesion automobile master keys as defined by Section 151 (353 in revised code) the Criminal Code of Canada.

353. (1) Every one who

(a) sells, offers for sale or advertises in a province an automobile master key otherwise than under the authority of a licence issued by the Attorney General of that province, or

(b) purchases or has in his possession in a province an automobile master key otherwise than under the authority of a licence issued by the Attorney General of that province,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.

Exception

(1.1) A police officer specially authorized by the chief of the police force to possess an automobile master key is not guilty of an offence under subsection (1) by reason only that the police officer possesses an automobile master key for the purposes of the execution of the police officer’s duties.

Terms and conditions of licence

(2) A licence issued by the Attorney General of a province as described in paragraph (1)(a) or (b) may contain such terms and conditions relating to the sale, offering for sale, advertising, purchasing, having in possession or use of an automobile master key as the Attorney General of that province may prescribe.

Fees

(2.1) The Attorney General of a province may prescribe fees for the issue or renewal of licences as described in paragraph (1)(a) or (b).

Record to be kept

(3) Every one who sells an automobile master key

(a) shall keep a record of the transaction showing the name and address of the purchaser and particulars of the licence issued to the purchaser as described in paragraph (1)(b); and

(b) shall produce the record for inspection at the request of a peace officer.

Failure to comply with subsection (3)

(4) Every one who fails to comply with subsection (3) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Definitions

(5) The definitions in this subsection apply in this section.

“automobile master key”

« passe-partout d’automobile »

“automobile master key” includes a key, pick, rocker key or other instrument designed or adapted to operate the ignition or other switches or locks of a series of motor vehicles.

“licence”

« licence »

“licence” includes any authorization.

R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 353; 1997, c. 18, s. 22.

[loki]

Other than the blatant- as apparent to anyone with a decent IQ- scam "locksmiths" who typically act and look non professional about their work, I don't hear of
many cases of the public being conned, assulted, robbed, raped or murdered by a locksmith.

I know there are some polititcians just waiting for an incident as an excuse to implement more licensing and regulation.

And, I HAVE heard of politicians accused of some of the above crimes though.

[magician59]

What about us US citizens visiting Canada, and traveling with our lock picks?

[elbowmacaroni]

What about us US citizens visiting Canada, and traveling with our lock picks?

I'd guess that "353. (1) Every one who

(a) sells, offers for sale or advertises in a province an automobile master key otherwise than under the authority of a licence issued by the Attorney General of that province, or

(b) purchases or has in his possession in a province an automobile master key otherwise than under the authority of a licence issued by the Attorney General of that province,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years."

Is pretty clear on that.

[abroxis]

If you bring lockpicks into Canada it would depend what province (State) you visited.

Maybe an american context would be helpfull.

Assume that the US Federal Governmnet passes a universal law that all
lockpicks must be licensed. However for some reason the licenses are to be issued by each state and not the Feds.

Problem is only some of the states enact the legislation or regulations to issue these licenses.

Residents of those states where the state does not issue licenses would presumably be loopholed.

Tourists visiting Canada need to know which provinces issue licenses and which don't. The assumption is that you can't be charged for not having a license if the provice doesn't issue these licenses.

[Farmerfreak]

(a) sells, offers for sale or advertises in a province an automobile master key otherwise than under the authority of a licence issued by the Attorney General of that province, or

(b) purchases or has in his possession in a province an automobile master key otherwise than under the authority of a licence issued by the Attorney General of that province,

Seems like a pointless law. Since vehicle aren't masterkeyed. Unless you either count picks as masterkeys, or are talking about a key blank (uncut) on certain year/model cars (I'm not going to explain that by the way).

[loki]

It may be a bit off topic but, have you noticed a large pecentage of the public believe there exist 'single' master key that will say, open
all Chevy cars, or Ford master key to open all Ford cars ?

I know a lady, who insisted for an hour, ranting, that someone opened her car with a "master key".