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Post Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:48 am

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waddac2 wrote:Fantastic Mike. Thanks so much for sending me the WB link. Very interesting indeed
Thanks Rich... hope it helped :)

10ringo10 wrote:Damn this is brilliant ive not seen this before.
Thank you Ringo. And tell me bout it... I'm STILL comin' across shit I didn't even know was on the forum. lol
It's great to look around, but I don't always have enough time to.... so I find myself just checkin' out the 'recent posts'.

....hope to have some more 'porn pics' up soon guys :D
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Post Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:05 pm

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AMERICAN SERIES 2000

The round-bodied, hidden shackle padlock... often referred to as a Puck lock.

Application: high security areas... Commercial buildings, Storage buildings, Warehouses, Industrial plants, Vehicles


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Be it prying, grinding, cutting, or shimming.... the shackle has always been a targeted weak point of a padlock.
This design takes shrouded to the next level. The shackle is more like a throw bolt of sorts, and is contained
entirely within the lock body. When used in conjunction with a specifically designed hasp,
it becomes very unlikely that the shackle would be compromised with any success.

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For disassembly, first remove the 3/32" hex retaining screw from the backside of the lock.
You can now turn the lock to the open position and pull out the cylinder & housing assembly.

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Using the appropriately sized punch, pop out the roll pin and remove the tailpiece.
-- The roll pin, if you're careful, can be used again when reassembling the lock --
You can now remove the core using a plug follower, just as you would a standard lock.

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Post Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:35 am

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Just a quick add-on.

Page 4 of this thread features a Medeco Metrolock.. viewtopic.php?p=47009#p47009

Don (better known as "the Lock Whisperer" lol) has shared a photo of his with me
of pins that are for a masterkeyed cam lock.. http://tinypic.com/r/15xs6z6/6
I thought it interesting just to see the difference. Thanks again Don.

I'd imagine more holes means better odds of success for picking. Regardless, I find em' to be a real bitch to pick,
and I have not really spent any time with these locks since the Metrolock. I'd like to though eventually.
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Post Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:13 pm

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AMERICAN LOCK Series 5570



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Post Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:23 pm

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AMERICAN LOCK Series 5300


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Post Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:04 pm

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Candy for my eyes All these nice locks slain & gutted for our entertainment old fast has become a lock picking gladiator.
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Post Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:00 am

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Alaphablue wrote:Candy for my eyes All these nice locks slain & gutted for our entertainment old fast has become a lock picking gladiator.

(said w/ Forrest Gump accent)... Nah, I don't know bot that. lol
Really though, thank you Alphablue. Defeating locks and documenting em' as I go along is something
I truly enjoy. The fact that some others benefit or enjoy seeing it too is certainly an added bonus!!
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Post Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:49 pm

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Oldfast, others have said it and i dont really like to repeat what has already been posted, BUT: this is one of the best and most comprehensive threads I have had the pleasure to view-ever. Opening up all these locks (many of which I may never have in hand) is so helpful to anyone who is interested in locks. One could argue that all these locks do the same thing, but seeing them open with all their subtle differences is great. For me its all part of an accumulation of knowledge about locks and the more i see the more i know. thanks for taking all the time to write all this up and all the vids as well.
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Post Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:00 pm

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Thank you Attic! It always makes my day when some one finds some use in all this.

I realize there's not a huge variety of locks here just yet, but I hope to build a massively
comprehensive library of guts in the years to come. Some things I'd like to add in the near future:

* A few more lower security locks should really be documented before moving on to more advanced material.
* I almost hate to do it, but I'd like to kill some older antique/vintage locks just to appease my (& others') curiosity.
* Locks that are 'self contained' and not meant to be disassembled. This only makes sense, so other locks won't die needlessly. lol
* And naturally, as I move into the world of 'high-security locks', so too will this thread (honestly, I'm not quite that far yet myself)
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Post Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:33 am

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FOLGER ADAM MOGUL CYLINDER
Application: Detention facilities (correctional institutions, jails, prisons, etc.)

As lockpickers, we cannot help but be awed by Moguls! The size of these massive cylinders is the first thing to strike us.
Adding to the mistique is the fact that they're (to quite an extent) still widely used throughout our prison & jail systems.

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Earlier in this thread, we took a look at the RR BRINK MOGUL. The overall design of these two
locks are nearly identical... but I'm hoping to provide a little more detail this time around.

Let's first address the size of these locks and the reasoning behind such an upscaled design.
These locks (& all elements within) are nearly twice the size of standard mortise cylinders. Why?

Many of us thought it may have something to do with picking, and the larger tools such a lock might require.
These larger tools would prove more difficult for an inmate to conceal... and easier for an officer to detect.

Although this may be one of the resulting advantages, it seems this did not at all play into the true motives behind
this giant creation. Instead, it really just comes down to physics. Bigger doors, bolts, etc...... require bigger locks.
Also, such a repetitive enviromment poses another factor to consider; substantial wear in a short amount of time.
Undoubtedly, one of these locks is apt to see more openings & closings than most locks will see in two life times.

Referenced from this RRBLS pdf, I found a multitude of advantages this larger format offers;

"Compared to a standard mortise cylinder, the “Mogul” parts
offer proportionately larger wear surfaces and a longer life cycle.

.....the larger cross sectional area of the “Mogul” keyway facilitates the
removal of debris commonly inserted by inmates to impede key operation.

The key size reduces the chance of breakage under forced turning (e.g. against a bind)
and affords increased torque to ease the unlocking of heavy prison lock mechanisms.

Also, the “Mogul” key size lends itself to easy insertion into the cylinder keyway.
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. . . . . . . . . . HOUSING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . MASTER RING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PLUG
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*Note: We may be moving from fact to opinion here as I get into my thoughts on the master ring

The use of a master ring makes this lock rather unique. And, although it most certainly complicates picking,
it's not the sole purpose of it. What it does is creates flexibility for the overall key system of an entire prison.
Access control. For example, "turn-key John" does not need to be in the main control room. Just like "janitor
Joe
" has no business being in the property/evidence/contraband room lol. A prison is a small city within itself.
Any given key must allow an individual to gain access to certain areas and yet deny them access to other areas.

Think of an apartment complex. Each tenant has their own unique key that will open only their door but not
their neighbors. But the manager needs a single key that will open all of them. This is masterkeying. By adding
additional masterpins/spacers to some or all the pinstacks, a single lock can be opened with more than one key.
But the resulting convenience also comes with deminished security. There is now multiple segmentations within
each pinstack, but still only one shearline. If we're lockpickers, our odds of setting all the pinstacks just went up.

Given this knowledge, let's now turn our attention back to the Mogul.
Through the use of a master ring, two shearlines are created:

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...one shearline between the plug and the master ring. The other, between the master ring and the housing.
Masterpins can now be added without subtracting from the overall security of the lock. To the contrary,
this may have actually enhanced the security (at least in regards to picking). For we're now faced with
the task of setting ALL the pinstacks to ONLY ONE of the two shearlines before the lock will open.
This is not always a straightforward process... often times involving memory and trial & error.

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(left) locked position. The chambers in the housing, master ring, & plug are all in alignment with each other.
(middle) an operating key will set the pins to the lowest of the two shearlines and will turn only the plug.
(right) a master key sets the pins to the upper shearline & turns both the plug & master ring as one unit.

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Graduated spools, masterpins, keypins, and ball bearings.
The ball bearings probably make for a smoother insertion/extraction of the key. More likely though,
their main purpose is to prolong the life of the lock by delaying the rapid wear of both the pins & key.

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Post Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:35 am

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Pure awesome. Top notch work.
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The code is hidden in the tumblers. One position opens the lock, another position opens one of these doors...
http://www.youtube.com/xeotech1

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Post Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:43 am

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:D Who-what?! Did someone say.... MOOOOOGUUUUL?! lol

Thanks Xeo... and thanks for thinking of me when it came time to pass on the Koko-Mogul.
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Post Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:00 am

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Oldfast wrote::D Who-what?! Did someone say.... MOOOOOGUUUUL?! lol

Thanks Xeo... and thanks for thinking of me when it came time to pass on the Koko-Mogul.


Hah... Kokomogul. *tickles you again to try impressioning a BEST*
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The code is hidden in the tumblers. One position opens the lock, another position opens one of these doors...
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Post Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:13 am

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Excellent write-up, Oldfast. Had not seen the pins inside one of these locks. Some day, I'm gonna spring for one of these moguls, but for now, I just can't afford it.

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Post Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:18 am

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Excellent write up, and quite nice photography as well! I can't wait to get my hands on one of those one of these days.
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