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Post Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:51 am

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SCHLAGE KRYPTONITE KS13A2300
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Non-key-retaining 5-pin.....standard drivers & keypins

I propose there should be certain standards put into affect. It should be mandatory that these
standards be met prior to granting a company authorization to name a lock "Kryptonite" LOL.

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I've included the contents found in the sixth chamber. What the hell was a spring doing there,
you might ask? Why that's a very good question.... a very good question indeed my friend. lol

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Allow me to bitch for just a bit longer & then I'll tell you why I like this lock. lol

For the sake of everything that's holy in this world! How many times have we come across locks designed to accept up to 6 pins, yet come from the factory utilizing only 5 of the 6 chambers?! Now, as a former addict/alcoholic, I'm more than qualified to say that 2 is ALWAYS better than 1, and certainly 6 MUST be better than 5! But hey, that's just me. lol

Still very happy with the purchase, mainly due to the IC-core. As Xeo has demonstrated, you can put some killer guts in this thing and have some fun picks http://youtu.be/dcLcIbL5T7I Who knows, put the right shit up in this lock and it might even become ............. your kryptonite.
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Post Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:07 am

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Oldfast wrote:SCHLAGE KRYPTONITE KS13A2300
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Non-key-retaining 5-pin.....standard drivers & keypins

I propose there should be certain standards put into affect. It should be mandatory that these
standards be met prior to granting a company authorization to name a lock "Kryptonite" LOL.

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I've included the contents found in the sixth chamber. What the hell was a spring doing there,
you might ask? Why that's a very good question.... a very good question indeed my friend. lol

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Allow me to bitch for just a bit longer & then I'll tell you why I like this lock. lol

For the sake of everything that's holy in this world! How many times have we come across locks designed to accept up to 6 pins, yet come from the factory utilizing only 5 of the 6 chambers?! Now, as a former addict/alcoholic, I'm more than qualified to say that 2 is ALWAYS better than 1, and certainly 6 MUST be better than 5! But hey, that's just me. lol

Still very happy with the purchase, mainly due to the IC-core. As Xeo has demonstrated, you can put some killer guts in this thing and have some fun picks http://youtu.be/dcLcIbL5T7I Who knows, put the right shit up in this lock and it might even become ............. your kryptonite.

all lockwoods come standard with 5 pins but have the 6 chambers
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Post Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:40 pm

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Oldfast wrote:....locks designed to accept up to 6 pins, yet come from the factory utilizing only 5 of the 6 chambers..

Seriously though, I'd love to hear some thoughts on why this might be. Considering not one, but many companies do this, there must be some reasoning behind it. I would think the more costly part of the process would be creating the lock...adding the additional pinstack would be fairly in-expensive. So it's probably not an issue of cost vs. profit. Any thoughts?
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Post Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:59 pm

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maybe commerial vs. residential ?

how many hardware stores have 6 pin blanks ?
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Post Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:37 pm

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Oldfast wrote:
Oldfast wrote:....locks designed to accept up to 6 pins, yet come from the factory utilizing only 5 of the 6 chambers..

Seriously though, I'd love to hear some thoughts on why this might be. Considering not one, but many companies do this, there must be some reasoning behind it. I would think the more costly part of the process would be creating the lock...adding the additional pinstack would be fairly in-expensive. So it's probably not an issue of cost vs. profit. Any thoughts?


It's all about the key system you are using.. If you take a look at kwikset titan for a second you'll notice that there are two different shoulder stops on the key.. The top shoulder stop protrudes out further then the bottom.. Because of this you can use a titan key in a normal kwikset system and disreguard the first pin cut on the key beacuse the top shoulder stop will engage the regular keyway before the bottom stop will.. this allows you to utilize regular and titan keyways and locks in the same system. I don't know if that really makes my point clear, but its really all about flexibility and hybrid systems.. you could also use this philosophy with regards to master keys systems where as the lower tier of the system could be issued 5 pin keys and the masters could be 6 pinners.. Suffice it to say that extra holes are really just options that you can choose to utilize or not.
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Post Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:58 am

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So..Flexibility/versatility. So the additional chamber extends your options & applications that can be utilized when setting up a security system. For example.... a commercial or industrial building may have different levels of security. Ok... so this is starting to makes some sense. Selim & Whiz.....thanks for your thoughts.
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Post Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:32 pm

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HI-SHEAR MILITARY PADLOCK

Application: Government/Military

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This massive body measures 4'' across, 3'' tall, and nearly 2'' thick.
Weighing 4 lbs. 11 ounces, it's comprised of a blast/explosion-proof alloy.

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The contol key for this lock uses the exact same bitting as the operating key. So, to create a contol key,
simply file a "notch" near the bow in the appropriate place, thus allowing it to turn the plug counter-clockwise.

Inside this tank of a body is a classic Medeco core. My knowledge of Medeco is far from extensive, so I won't get real technical here. I will, however, try to give you (in laymans terms) a brief, general idea of how it operates and some of the security features it possesses.

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One of several things that makes Medeco high-security is the use of a sidebar that interfaces with a groove that's been milled into the side of each keypin. The sidebar is spring-loaded and protrudes from the plug. This, obviously, prevents the plug from turning even if the pins have been set to the sheer-line. What this means is that the pins not only have to be set vertically... they must also be set rotationally in order to activate the sidebar.

The groove on each of the six keypins must align with each of the six 'teeth' on the sidebar. When this occurs, the sidebar is allowed to be retracted far enough to become flush with the outside of the plug, thus allowing it to be turned. Torque (from turning the key) provides the pressure to push the sidebar in.

To further complicate rotational manipulation, some keypins have a shallow groove in addition to the 'true' groove.
I don't know the technical term for these, but I call them 'false gates'.

So, if you take a look at some of these pictures, I'm hoping you can get a pretty good idea of how this mechanism works:
the chisel point tips of the keypins along with the angled cuts on the key... the sidebar teeth along with the grooves in the keypins.

The design, really, is something to be appreciated. It's quite beautiful, and gets me rather excited. I think it'd be safe to say that it was truly revolutionary at the time Medeco (Mechanical Development Company) first introduced it. In fact, for some time, these locks were widely considered to be "un-pickable".

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To prevent drilling attacks (or at least slow the process), 4 hardened steel pins are stratigically placed near the face of the plug. Three of them, at 12:00, shield the keypins. A fourth, at 3:00, protects the sidebar. Also protecting the sidebar is a hardened ball-bearing embedded in the front end of the sidebar itself.

Other facets of security (I won't go into): KEY CONTROL: restricting who can produce/duplicate/distribute keys,
and who is authorized to purchase keys. And, KEYWAYS: I'm told there are literally hundreds of variations.

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Drivers: 5-standard, 1-lipped mushroom..... Keypins: 3 of the 6 have false gates. 4 of the 6 are ARX (Attack Resistance X-tended)

*Caught on Camera* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyefjlYU9xk
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Post Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:08 pm

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I love these locks!
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Post Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:44 am

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Love this lock also..... loved the vid on it too, grats again... MMMM medecooooo :drool:

one day I'll own one... and it will sit near the top of my collection and look down upon me with disgust as it will surely know I cannot defeat it.

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Post Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:23 pm

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oldfast you are a badass, i am tempted to take all your gutted lock posts and make a pdf book like thing... but id be afraid that when you posted more i wouldnt be able to add them :(

great additions to the site...

now did you pick the hi shear or just gut it for us :)
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Post Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:20 pm

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Sometimes these posts can take some time for me since I'm not too computer savvy. But I love sharing with you guys because I know you can truly appreciate a lock as I do. It's funny, I've tried to talk to people I know about locks, and their eyes glaze over after about 2 minutes. Not necessarily because they don't understand... probably more so that they just don't really give a shit LOL!

LSA.. lol... yes, it has been picked & vid posted. My unwritten rule for this thread is that I will not post gut shots until the lock has been picked and picked consistantly. I don't know... just my thing. Also, feel free to use any of the pictures. They're here for enjoyment and informational purposes.

I've always cross referenced "Oldfast tele" with this thread. That way you can see the guts of a lock after watching it being picked. I think I'll start doing the same here. That way, after looking at the guts, you can watch it being picked.

Out of curiosity, I set up the pictures in this last post in 5 pairs of 2. In other words, there should be 2 pictures side-by-side. I was just taking a look when using a wide-screen computer and its showing the pics individually (one underneath the next). Anyone else getting that?

...next up... S&G 831B :drool: I hope to have the pics posted this evening.
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Post Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:17 pm

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Thanks for sharing these pics you have a great thread here im very envy :ugeek:
i truly appreciate your post and pics :drool: Lockporn - thank you :hbg:
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Post Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:58 am

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REALLY, thanks SO much for the encouragement guys. It means alot to know these pics are enjoyed.
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Post Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:33 am

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831B MILITARY PADLOCK

Application: Government/Military

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This massive body measures 4'' tall, 2 1/2'' wide, and 1 1/2'' thick.
Weighing just over 3 lbs., it's comprised of a blast/explosion-proof alloy.

An interesting note: The 833C seems to be the newer, more modern day version of this lock, and goes
for around $1,200 brand new. These locks will have ceramic inserts within the length of the body,
making it one of the only locks in the world capable of withstanding liquid nitrogen. Pretty cool!

Even more improvements on the 833c, brings us to yet another, even MORE powerful lock! The 951c.
Currently used by the U.S Military, this one will run you between $1500 - $2500. OOOoooo baby!!
I know, I know- wish in one hand, shit in the other, and see which one fills up first. Right?
LOL
Anyway, I'm getting myself all too excited..............moving on......

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Inside this tank of a body is a classic Medeco core. My knowledge of Medeco is far from extensive, so I won't get real technical here. I will, however, try to give you (in laymans terms) a brief, general idea of how it operates and some of the security features it possesses.

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A plug follower made from some wooden doweling might look something like this.. lol.. but then again, I tend to complicate matters.
A hollow plug follower of some sort with the appropriate notches would do just as well, and would take far less time.

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One of several things that makes Medeco high-security is the use of a sidebar that interfaces with a groove that's been milled into the side of each keypin. The sidebar is spring-loaded and protrudes from the plug. This, obviously, prevents the plug from turning even if the pins have been set to the sheer-line. What this means is that the pins not only have to be set vertically... they must also be set rotationally in order to activate the sidebar.

The groove on each of the six keypins must align with each of the six 'teeth' on the sidebar. When this occurs, the sidebar is allowed to be retracted in far enough to become flush with the outside of the plug, thus allowing it to be turned. Torque (from turning the key) provides the pressure to push the sidebar in.

To further complicate rotational manipulation, some keypins have a shallow groove in addition to the 'true' groove. I don't
know the technical term for these, but I call them 'false gates'. In this particular lock, 3 of the 6 keypins have false gates.

ImageImage
To prevent drilling attacks (or at least slow the process), 3 hardened steel pins are stratigically placed near the face of the plug at the 12:00 position, providing a shield for the keypins. Protecting the sidebar is a hardened ball-bearing embedded in the front end of the sidebar itself. There's normally a fourth pin placed at 3:00 to provide additional protection for the sidebar. This particular lock (due to it's age I assume) is lacking this fourth pin.

Other facets of security (I won't go into): KEY CONTROL: restricting who can produce/duplicate/distribute keys,
and who is authorized to purchase keys. And, KEYWAYS: I'm told there are literally hundreds of variations.

So, if you take a look at some of these pictures, I'm hoping you can get a pretty good idea of how this mechanism works:
the chisel point tips of the keypins along with the angled cuts on the key... the sidebar teeth along with the grooves in the keypins.

ImageImage
The design, really, is something to be appreciated. It's quite beautiful, and gets me rather excited. I think it'd be safe to say that it
was truly revolutionary at the time Medeco (Mechanical Development Company) first introduced it. In fact, for some time, these were widely considered to be "un-pickable".

*Caught on Camera* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1q0pW2bC5M
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Post Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:25 am

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I love these military padlocks. Im really digging the hammer strike imprints on the outside of the lock. Someone was highly unaware of what they were pitted against.
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