Fontaine Pump Lock

[MrAnybody]

I've recently got hold of a Fontaine lock, and I was wondering if any of you out there has any experience picking this type of lock. I'd really appreciate any tips or info you may have.

I've also no idea when this lock was in circulation.

As you may know, Fontaine is a French lock maker. Apparently, this type of lock is used for some sort of pumping station / facility or equipment. The lock type is known as an Umbrella Lock.

So far, I have one small source of info here from Rickthepick. He links his blog entry in a lp101 post here.

I'm looking to collect any info/know-how you may have, especially on how I'm going to tension and pick this little puppy.

I'll update with any progress I make myself.

Many thanks.

My apologies if linking to a lp101 thread is considered as bad etiquette.

[ARF-GEF]

My apologies if linking to a lp101 thread is considered as bad etiquette.

I think it's quite allright in this case MrA

Anyway,nice lock !

So I reckon none of my suggested sources could help you Sorry about that

[GWiens2001]

That lock is a beauty. Are those levers in the lock instead of pins?

Gordon

[escher7]

Here is a (Spanish) video on picking a Fontaine lock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JzXYR6mwGs

P.S. If you got the name "umbrella" from the 101 site, I think they are referring to the type of pick in one of the pictures there, made from a hex key


And here is a video showing a decoder for the Fontaine lock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7BSs89j0ls.

[escher7]

Just a guess, but I think this is a modern version of the lock and key:

[MrWizard]

Gordon

If you look at the keys you will see pin tumbler cuts just like tubular locks and the grooves which I will assume to be like ward cuts. That is my guess.

Richard

[MrAnybody]

Just a guess, but I think this is a modern version of the lock and key:

Nice find, escher. To me, that looks identical in design. Very interesting.

Could you link me to the page you found it, please?

[MrAnybody]

Gordon

If you look at the keys you will see pin tumbler cuts just like tubular locks and the grooves which I will assume to be like ward cuts. That is my guess.

Richard

You're right, Richard. And it's details I should have included in my original post.

They are pin tumbler cuts in the key. The lock is much like a tubular in design with 5 pins that are separated by wards running the length of the cylinder.

[MrAnybody]

Here is a (Spanish) video on picking a Fontaine lock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JzXYR6mwGs

P.S. If you got the name "umbrella" from the 101 site, I think they are referring to the type of pick in one of the pictures there, made from a hex key

Yep, seen that one. Very nice, and a damned shame I don't speak Spanish.

And here is a video showing a decoder for the Fontaine lock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7BSs89j0ls.

Nice find. Very cool ingenuity in that decoder. Many thanks for that, escher. I hadn't found that one myself.

[Oldfast]

Wow... completely uncharted territory for me.
*One of the many reasons I love this forum

Really neat lock.... thanks for posting it!

[huxleypig]

Here is a (Spanish) video on picking a Fontaine lock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JzXYR6mwGs

P.S. If you got the name "umbrella" from the 101 site, I think they are referring to the type of pick in one of the pictures there, made from a hex key

Yep, seen that one. Very nice, and a damned shame I don't speak Spanish.

And here is a video showing a decoder for the Fontaine lock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7BSs89j0ls.

Nice find. Very cool ingenuity in that decoder. Many thanks for that, escher. I hadn't found that one myself.

I have a lock similar but there's no post to drive the lock round so tensioning it has to be done via the pin chambers themselves (a bit like the vanlock). So you tension using a random chamber, pick a pin then swap tension to the picked pins' chamber, then pick the rest of the lock.

I wish to make a tool (on the ever growing list) that has each cut as high as possible (to tension) then the probes or tynes go through a hole in the base of the cut (nearest the middle shaft of the key.

Another thing I notice about those decoders is that they allow you to pick each pin and then set that height (SPP) but I rarely see a collar that allows you to apply universal pressure onto the tynes (for self impressioning) like what you get on normal tubular picks. Do these locks have particularly effective defences against self impressioning making it impractical?

[huxleypig]

I notice you have 3 keys there sir...So you could do without one or two of them?

[escher7]

Just a guess, but I think this is a modern version of the lock and key:

Nice find, escher. To me, that looks identical in design. Very interesting.

Could you link me to the page you found it, please?

Here is the link:



http://www.denyfontaine.com/en/fiche_pr ... roduit=151

I think Deny Fontaine is the new name of the company.

[MrAnybody]

Just a guess, but I think this is a modern version of the lock and key:

Nice find, escher. To me, that looks identical in design. Very interesting.

Could you link me to the page you found it, please?

Here is the link:

http://www.denyfontaine.com/en/fiche_pr ... roduit=151

I think Deny Fontaine is the new name of the company.

Perfect, escher. Many thanks. No idea why I couldn't find that myself.

The curious thing is that n first impression it looks identical. But then, in the description, they mention:

Euro profile cylinder with 7 wafers included one hidden.

However, the key looks identical to mine.

Go figger! Mine is 5 pinned.

[rai]

TRY looking for chez.montmartre cerrures de haut securitie

there are a lot of french locks there, and if you clik on the key pictures, some of them have expanded drawings,

I believe many of them have the term pompe in the discription and I believe that it indicates a push in pin

I just looked at the site, so I know its there still

I just looked again, its montmartre.chez.com the front page comes up click serrures de haut securitie