Name this lock!

[Stretch]

I believe this fits into the unusual category. I recently acquired this Keso like cam lock made by an unknown manufacturer and would like to find more information on it. Number one because I want to find someone who can make keys because I am going to use these at work. Number two, it's just a really cool little cam lock and I'd like to know who made it.

It, like a Keso has three rows of pins. Unlike a Keso however the side pins come in at an angle, the key dimples are perfectly drilled at this angle also. It has thirteen steel pins, five on each side and three on top. It is made of quality materials and the fit and finish is exceptional. The pins and plug are stainless steel and the body is made of brass. The only markings on the lock are the letters VSR on the front of the plug and the keys say sample 1 and sample 3 on them and are made by Silca.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated. Now for the photos. I would have completely gutted it but it does not use the usual little pin housing bars and I do not have a follower small enough. I cannot even imagine trying to get all those pins back in the small cylinder without a proper slotted follower.

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[Riyame]

I name this lock "BOB"!

It is a Kaba lock. I am not sure on the exact model since I have only seen a few of them but there are Kaba 8, Kaba 20, etc

[Stretch]

Bob it is! Ha ha

Thank you, I wonder why they do not come with factory Kaba keys and what this "sample" business is all about. It definitely makes sense that this is a Kaba product. It really is a high quality little lock.

[just1pick+open]

Welcome Stretch & Bob....

[DroppedTensionWrench]

I believe it's an 8. The pin orientation on the 8 is like the Sargent Keso if memory serves me correct.

Kaba makes awesome locks. High quality precision tolerances and built for longevity. Some Kaba locks have been tested at one million cycles (lock/unlock)

[Squelchtone]

That's a VSR made dimple lock which is a clone of an older KABA design. I want to say it reminds me of KABA Gemini or KABA 20, but there's that bit of milled out material on the keys which is probably a restricted key profile vs the generic kaba blanks. Kaba 8 has 8 dimple positions though, this key looks like 11 positions.

VSR makes locks for the casino and gaming industry.
http://www.vsrindustries.com/vsr-products/casino-locks/

Squelchtone

[Stretch]

After further examination I have found that it actually has 14 pins, 6 on one side, 5 on the other and three on top. The milling on the end of the key is actually pointless as the sides of the plug are completely flat. So I'm wondering if there is any possible way to get keys made for these. I'm thinking the only way would possibly the easy entry machines in Europe .

[Squelchtone]

After further examination I have found that it actually has 14 pins, 6 on one side, 5 on the other and three on top. The milling on the end of the key is actually pointless as the sides of the plug are completely flat. So I'm wondering if there is any possible way to get keys made for these. I'm thinking the only way would possibly the easy entry machines in Europe .

just get the same Silca blanks they used and a drill press with small drill bits and make keys to match what you have.

ILCO blanks KA5-SI, KAB2, or KAB3

JMA makes them as well http://www.keyblankdepot.com/product_p/jma1356.htm

[Stretch]

After further examination I have found that it actually has 14 pins, 6 on one side, 5 on the other and three on top. The milling on the end of the key is actually pointless as the sides of the plug are completely flat. So I'm wondering if there is any possible way to get keys made for these. I'm thinking the only way would possibly the easy entry machines in Europe .

just get the same Silca blanks they used and a drill press with small drill bits and make keys to match what you have.

ILCO blanks KA5-SI, KAB2, or KAB3


JMA makes them as well http://www.keyblankdepot.com/product_p/jma1356.htm

Thanks for the keyway numbers and link.

I have daily access to a machine shop and certainly could do that, and if I have no other options I might. However it would be a time consuming affair to measure and precisely drill all those angled dimples and I'd much sooner pay someone else to do it.

[GWiens2001]

You could always go out and buy a Futura key machine. Then it would measure and cut for you. It would cut most key types, too.

Of course, they are a bit on the pricey side.

Gordon

[Stretch]

You could always go out and buy a Futura key machine. Then it would measure and cut for you. It would cut most key types, too.

Of course, they are a bit on the pricey side.

Gordon

Where can I find someone with one of these nifty Futura machines? Could I ship someone a key and they could and would copy it for me? Obviously these are not patent protected keys and I am in possession of and own the locks so there shouldn't be any ethics violations.

[nine4t4]

I have nothing to add other than my automatic response to "Name this Lock" was to yell out

BOB!!!