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Abloy PL350 test video

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Post Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:30 pm

Abloy PL350 test video

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Post Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:58 pm

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

Seems to be pretty tough. Too bad they are so easy to pick. ;-) :lol:

Not a bad choice if you need to protect something valuable. Thanks for sharing the video, Wizer.

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Post Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:20 pm

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

Yaah cool vid, thanks for sharing! :)
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Post Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:56 pm

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

That is effin anihalation proof!

How much does a thing like that cost?
Thanks so much for sharing!

P.S - I loved the sawing part. Less than 1mm! :mrgreen:
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Post Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:42 pm

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

It's not cheap FG :S

It's also not so easy to get.
The only source I know where you can dependable get these is security snobs.
I mean in theory you can get them though ebay, but they are really rare I believe.
I've dealt with them and I can vouch for them:
https://securitysnobs.com

This specific padlock:
https://securitysnobs.com/Abloy-Protec2-PL-350-Hardened-Steel-Padlock.html
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Post Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:14 pm

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

ARF-GEF wrote:It's not cheap FG :S

It's also not so easy to get.
The only source I know where you can dependable get these is security snobs.
I mean in theory you can get them though ebay, but they are really rare I believe.
I've dealt with them and I can vouch for them:
https://securitysnobs.com

This specific padlock:
https://securitysnobs.com/Abloy-Protec2-PL-350-Hardened-Steel-Padlock.html


Yep, SecuritySnobs is probably the best way to go unless you can find someone here on the forum who'd like to give one up (no likely!). Securitysnobs ship out of Holland as well as US, so a big plus to us Europeans. I was very happy with my order from them.
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:26 am

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

Great lock but likely not immune to an angle grinder.
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:38 am

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

escher7 wrote:Great lock but likely not immune to an angle grinder.



Nah, for that go with the PL362 (same thing, but with a shrouded shackle).

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And yes, Escher7, we all know that the PL362 is not tank round proof, but ya gotta draw the line somewhere.
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:08 am

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

GWiens2001 wrote:
escher7 wrote:Great lock but likely not immune to an angle grinder.



Nah, for that go with the PL362 (same thing, but with a shrouded shackle).

Gordon

And yes, Escher7, we all know that the PL362 is not tank round proof, but ya gotta draw the line somewhere.


Angle grinders are quite capable of cutting though the shrouds as well. My locksmith has one chopped nearly in half. My point is not to suggest unrealistic attacks. Cordless angle grinders are used every day to kill these locks. At the end of the day no padlock will give you 100% security and these torture tests, no matter how impressive, are not realistic unless they include all normal attack methods.
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:06 am

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

You are right, they are not indestructable. I´ve heard a dremel or a drill would do allso.
There are more cool advertizements on Abloys youtube channel.
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:12 am

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

I think for the price the lock exceeds expectations..

The shrouded one would die to the angle grinder, but probably not in what I call usefull time. An angle grinder would still take a fair amount of time, making too much noise. At least I think so, but can't vouch for that.

Maybe the S&G 951 would take a couple of tank rounds before getting a scratch! Anyone care to try it? :mrgreen:
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:21 am

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

Great padlock, but very expensive.
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:22 am

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

While it is true that an angle grinder annihilates padlocks at astonishing speed you always have to look at physical security as sth relative.
Yes, you can cut down a PL350, even a pl362. It is just it's very hard to do so, compared to other locks. Same with shrouded shackle.

You have to look at it and compare it to the average padlock you see around on shops and homes.
As a general guide you should never assume a lock is impenetrable. It's just the question of time and effort, and these padlocks require a lot of those. I, for example, can't really think how can an average person reasonably need and use those padlocks.

Seriously, if anyone has an idea or example where do they use these (PL350 PL362) I would be very curious! :)
(Also if you know: what fittings? like which chain?)
I mean I cannot think of an door, box or shed which would offer a resistance at the walls making a PL362 sensible. I don't think I have any in my environment.


So factually you are right, not immune to angle grinder.
But I can't really think of any lock, ever, which is immune to angle girder. Even the huge vault doors are not immune. It is always a question of time and effort.
I think this was the message Gordon intended to convey with his joke about tank rounds. :)
I'm convinced it was meant in a friendly way :)

FGraci: I think a tank round annihilates any padlock. A modern tank round can cut through like 30 cm of simple rolled steel. (Rolled homogeneous armour is the word). That is why they use special armours instead of steel like composite or reactive armour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_armour
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_armour



Wizer: A dremel? I wouldn't have though that. You need a really strong one. At least mine is far underpowered for that.
What kind of head would you use in the dremel? I'm on the lookout for a drill/mill bit which fits my dremel and can be used to eat stainless steel and or hardened steel. Everything I find is for wood or aluminium.

Also Wizer, do you know how effective is the new-ish anti drill insert in the newer model of hardened house of protec 2?
You can PM me if you don't want to post it out in the wilderness :)
I hope it's effective. It was long high time to do sth about the infamous abloy mill.
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:05 pm

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

ARF-GEF wrote:FGraci: I think a tank round annihilates any padlock. A modern tank round can cut through like 30 cm of simple rolled steel. (Rolled homogeneous armour is the word). That is why they use special armours instead of steel like composite or reactive armour.

Except for Chuck Norris. That would be a feat!
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Post Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:20 am

Re: Abloy PL350 test video

Yes, I was being tongue-in-cheek, teasing. Sorry if I was not clear about that.

No lock is immune to physical attack by someone with the time, tools and determination to break in. All you can do is try to slow them down and make it difficult enough that most attackers will seek an easier target. Better lock and shrouds can assist in slowing them down. In many cases with locks of this caliber, along with those S&G 951 locks, the weakest point will not be the lock itself, but rather the hasp, door, chain, etcetera.

I use decent, but not overly fancy or expensive locks on my home. Why? Because while my door and door frame are reinforced, most windows can be broken. And with many homes built these days, a circular saw will cut right through a wall in under a minute. Have even worked at a restaurant back when I was a chef where somebody broke in overnight by cutting a hole in the roof. The best lock in the world will not stop that attack.

Gordon
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