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madsamurai

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Post Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:42 pm

recommendations?

So I finally got the new DD lock pick from Sparrows that LPL and Bosnian Bill put together, so I want to dig into disc detainer locks... unfortunately I don't have any yet (well, actually I have a couple but they're both rear-disc tensioned). Would like to start with something that isn't ridiculously hard, but don't really want to go stupid easy either... Any suggestions where to start? What are some of your favorite practice locks that can be opened with front disc tension?
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Post Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:57 pm

Re: recommendations?

I think the standard Chinese type is a good start to get a feeling. They are not stupid easy like waver locks where you stick something in, wiggle a bit and the lock is open.
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Post Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:19 pm

Re: recommendations?

Yeah, I'm going to order a couple random chinese locks tonight to get started with... what would you consider to be the "intermediate" range, or the equivalent of moving up to spool pins in a pin tumbler?

Also, I'll be ordering one of your Silver Bullets in a few weeks, too... it's finally next on my looooong wishlist of tools :)
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Post Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:38 pm

Re: recommendations?

Actually I have picked with my pick only different Chinese ones (open key way and butterfly key way) and the AVA, which is not really a disc detainer. I do have a FMT lock here, which is a slightly modified copy of the Abloy Classic. It has one warding disc, which doesn't turn, and undefined false gates. The Abloy Classic has really defined false gates. The FMT could be a next step from the Chinese, but I don't think it will be easy to get. You could look through LPLs disc detainer videos and select from them one, which he got open quickly.
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Post Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:45 pm

Re: recommendations?

I am no expert, but have and picked a few. The tool is really great, I think. You just have to treat it as a precision tool.

On the locks, it helps to check the keys. If it is a butterfly disc key, it's probably a better lock. You can count the discs approximately also from the key and see how the discs are spaced. It tells you a lot about the quality and a bit about pick resistance.

I have some of the chinese cheap locks, which are fun but easy. They tension from the rear, but the dd pick makes short work of that anyway. Doesn't cost much and it's fun.

I have some of Lidl (Parkside branded, I think), which is a supermaket chain that sells different hardware every week. They were as cheap but have false gates and more discs. Much more fun to pick but careful not to break the pick when in a false gate.

I have an axa bicycle lock that has spinners with gates and plenty false gates in the normal discs. Fun to pick but certainly more difficult.

I have two much higher quality locks in the naughty bucket because of many spinners, tensioning from a random disc and discs very deep in the lock. One of those I think I can open with my home made front tensioner pick or with the sparrows pick if I modify the tensioner, or make a new tensioner.

Don't be too afraid of a lock you can't open. The harder locks actually give so much better feedback that you learn quicker.

I'm not in the USA, but you can also check people like Albert Lebel on youtube. He has a lot of dd videos and recommendations on locks and he is based in the usa. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCSkq1SxMwDFYD6nQaVHF6-Q
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Post Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:48 am

Re: recommendations?

madsamurai wrote:Yeah, I'm going to order a couple random chinese locks tonight to get started with... what would you consider to be the "intermediate" range, or the equivalent of moving up to spool pins in a pin tumbler?

Also, I'll be ordering one of your Silver Bullets in a few weeks, too... it's finally next on my looooong wishlist of tools :)


I can't see this and let it lie :D For the record, the Silver Bullet is my tool, unless you mean a different one?
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Post Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:31 am

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Hux, the silver bullet pick is by you, as we all know! Perhaps Martin sells those anti-werewolf things?
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Post Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:43 am

Re: recommendations?

huxleypig wrote:
madsamurai wrote:Yeah, I'm going to order a couple random chinese locks tonight to get started with... what would you consider to be the "intermediate" range, or the equivalent of moving up to spool pins in a pin tumbler?

Also, I'll be ordering one of your Silver Bullets in a few weeks, too... it's finally next on my looooong wishlist of tools :)


I can't see this and let it lie :D For the record, the Silver Bullet is my tool, unless you mean a different one?

LOL, sorry, I knew that... sometimes I get confused :)
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Post Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:08 pm

Re: recommendations?

good lord these things are frustrating to get the hang of... I'm thinking a stupid easy one would actually be really nice right about now.

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