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Post Sat May 16, 2020 12:56 pm

FAB euro cylinders

Hi,
the FAB was here pretty much a synonym for a euro cylinder and it was my first lock to try and pick a few years ago (already FAB Assa Abloy at that time). Here is what I pocked through so far...

FAB 50
The basic cylinder of only grade 1 - to be used where pretty much no protection is needed - garden door, construction lock and so on.
Yet it still contain 3 spools and each one of them that I own has a quite radical biting. The keyway is not that bad, not as roomy as the schlage used on the training locks, but manageable with standard euro hooks from Southord...
It looks like the spools are only in chambers 2-4 - each of the ones I have has it in the same order.
fab50.jpg



FAB 100
Grade 2 cylinder - recommended as a lock for a garage door or similar.
The key has an interesting notch on its nose, that seems to do the same work as a shoulder on a normal key, plus it might allow them to reuse the profile without a danger that old key would open a new lock...
It has way stiffer springs than the 50, and also features a special driver pin that should prevent bumping (and also a bit frustrates a picking too, especially when it is in the chambers farther down the keyway). That driver (saw it referenced as RBC, but I haven't found what does it stands for) causes the key pin to stick way lower (when mounted pins down) than the rest of the pins and also its position changes cylinder to cylinder (I have 3, and it was in chambers 1, 2 and 5); also this pin seems to always bind first, which is great in case you manage to overset something - just let go a bit of tension and you can easily free the rest of the pins while keeping this one set.
There are also two spools, and the two last pins are standard.
The piece of wire interacts with the key nose, but it doesn't prevent the plug from turning.
fab100.jpg


Will post more as soon as I get my hands on them (FAB 200 should be on its way).
Kind regards,

Michal
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Post Sun May 31, 2020 3:20 pm

Re: FAB euro cylinders

FAB 200RSD
This is a grade 3 cylinder - recommended for front doors of a house or flat.
fab200rs.jpg

As you can see, the bumping protection is taken to another level - pins 1 and 5 are like the double sided RBC pin used in the FAB 100; there is just one spool (not that much effective as it is combined with pretty high keypin) and the rest are standard drivers.
The bitting is quite nasty - especially the pin 5 is giving me a lot of trouble; I have to use the deepest hooks that I have and so far I was not able to set it reliably (will work on that), because even the deepest SSDev hook is starting to contact the previous pins, ruining the feedback. Also the tolerances seems to be a bit better compared to FAB100, as the feedback is much more subtle; a bit more tension helps to make it more pronounced.
I also noticed, that the lock doesn't seem to have very rigid binding order - pins 1 and 5 must go first, the rest doesn't seem to matter that much.

Next stop are grade 4 cylinders - I procured an older one, that is a six pinner (FAB 2060BDN), with the warding similar to FAB1000 (the next candidate)...
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Post Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:02 am

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FAB 2060BDN
This is an older grade 4 (the highest here) cylinder, and it was certified to fullfil the requirements for level top secret (whatever it is supposed to mean :smile: ).
It is a 6 pinner with quite restricted keyway, similar to the new FAB 1000. Although the absence of security pins could hint that it is easy to pick, the tolerances are quite good and the pins 1 to 4 are tapered, so it provides very little feedback and takes quite some time to pick (10-15 minutes is my best time, compared to <5 minutes for the previous locks).

One thing that really surprised me is the anti-drill protection; there are three steel pins embedded in the core, two on one side of the pin stack, one on the other side, the bible has two in the front on both sides of the pin stack, all that seems fairly normal. But not the pin 5 and the driver in the 6th chamber - they are steel too; my expectation was, that these should be on the front of the pin stack, but they seem to be more like a last resort...
fab2060.jpg

The keyway is very nasty and I'd like to thank to Sparrows and our German friends from SSDev, because their 15 thousands picks are truly worth their weight in gold...

Last thing I'd like to point out is the bitting - if it was the other way around, I really doubt if I'd be able to pick it (maybe one day I'll try, when I feel particularly masochistic)...

The next in the line is the FAB 1000.
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Post Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:02 pm

Re: FAB euro cylinders

Congrats on the opening. It doesn't seem an easy lock at all.

I see the pins have a thinner and rough central part. It suggests they act like spools, but softer.

Cheers :)
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Post Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:58 pm

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Thank you - it took me quite a while to get it open (had to progressively pin it to get the feel for the response), but it is a good preparation for the FAB 1000 that I plan to tackle next...

To be honest I didn't notice any dragging from the center part of the pin, but it might be that I didn't concentrate on that.
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Post Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:59 pm

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least wrote:To be honest I didn't notice any dragging from the center part of the pin, but it might be that I didn't concentrate on that.


Or maybe they don't. I was just guessing, by the aspect of the pins. You have first hand experience, if you didn't feel it, there wasn't.

Good luck for your next challenge!

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Post Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:58 pm

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It's nice to read the changes for better security in this thread. The way you build it up is showing the differences clearly and it's interesting to see the next parts of this series! Good luck with picking the next lock Michal :)
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Post Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:41 pm

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femurat wrote:Or maybe they don't. I was just guessing, by the aspect of the pins. You have first hand experience, if you didn't feel it, there wasn't.


Actually today I tried the other side of the lock and I definitely felt a different feedback - not as smooth as the part near the top...
The thing is, that today I feel things that I didn't feel a month ago (I really started only a few months ago), so thank you for pointing that out...

edocdab wrote:It's nice to read the changes for better security in this thread. The way you build it up is showing the differences clearly and it's interesting to see the next parts of this series! Good luck with picking the next lock Michal :)



To be honest I'm also interested in what the rest of the line is going to offer - will report back as soon as I manage to get them and pick them... If only these better lock weren't so expensive...
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Michal
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Post Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:32 pm

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FAB 2018?
This euro cylinder (if I managed to identify it correctly) is an older version of FAB 200, and was a grade 3. It contains no drilling protection whatsoever, and very decevingly no security pins... The keyway is paracentric and the bitting on this particular lock is also quite nasty.
FAB-BT3.jpg

One might assume it would be easy to pick (I did - boy was I wrong) - but the drivers are slightly thinned at the end and they make picking very frustrating (you never know if the lock pops in the next second or the next week :smile: )...

This particular lock was in daily use in a boiler room for many years - taken that into account, it looks quite well. I was able to pick it with normal pins just fine (although a deep hook was necessary), but with the original pins I gathered enough courage to try to pick it only now (this half took longer than the 6 pinner above).
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Post Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:17 pm

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FAB 1000 U4BDNs
This is a grade 4 cylinder, the second best that FAB currently offers.
It is a five pinner with a narrow paracentric keyway, similar to the 2060 above.
It features a passive side pins used probably for some master-keying schemes, a ridiculous amount of anti-drill protection and also two anti-bump pins.
The key bitting is usually fairly challenging thanks to the RBC pins (here especially pin 5 hidden behind pin4).

FAB1000_gut.jpg


This particular lock taught me two important lessons:
First - don't overestimate your enemy. I spent almost an hour trying desperately to make any pin bind; I suspected the RBC (anti-bump) pin is causing this trouble, because they mostly bind first and can be a pain to set if hidden behind a high pin. I I felt three pins, then a gap that I suspected the RBC pin sits in and then there was something that somewhat resembled a pin, but not quite. Funny thing is, that I felt the actual chamber one, but I haven't felt the pin in it, so I ignored it. I tried both sides of the lock, both tensioning directions, to no avail. Finally, when trying different tension wrench, I noticed that the pin 1 is sitting very low in the core - I completely missed it and that was the reason why I was trying to set pin 5 without a success - there was none...
Second - make sure you know where the pins are :???: I was so keen to pick this lock, that I was constantly overlooking the pin 1 (as it was hidden behind my tension wrench). When I realized what was going on, after setting pin 1 the rest pretty much fell into place in a few moments.

To be honest, besides the pin 1 blunder, pickingwise the lock much less of a challenge than many of the lower grade locks that I managed to pick so far - besides the RBC pins, that are a problem when you don't have a deep enough hook, that one spool doesn't cause too much of a grief.

FAB1000_prot.jpg

Funny thing is, that this lock might take longer to drill, than pick - there are 5 steel inserts in the bible, two steel driver pins, one ball bearing and whooping eleven steel inserts in the core...
What also puzzles me is a complete absence of anti-snap protections...

Now all that remains is the FAB 2000; fortunately I managed to find a FAB Dynamic (no longer in production), which is a five pins/10 sliders monster; I just started to practice with Yale Superior, so when I feel I can handle the sliders well enough, I'll give it a shot.
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