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Joystick (T) pin

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:05 am
by aeporia
My old beaut of a dremel — a 25-year old German piece of trusty simplicity — died on me recently (one of the 3-prong pieces are snapped, and the motor is loose inside). I haven’t had the heart to throw it out yet. :S

After a month or so I finally popped down to the local Bunnings — the good ol’ monopolised hardware store — and fetched myself the cheapest entry-level official Dremel (200 series?). Add a table-mounted vise and go-go improvised lathe!

And so, back to making homebrew security pins! This last week’s new plaything have been toying with T-pins, mixing and matching them alongside spools… but also besides each other, alternating them upside-down (using a master wafer to keep it from collapsing into the spring).

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(The joystick pin?)


I used a spool and achieved this ^ the other night, and, while it probably has a lot more to do with the binding order, and it’s positioning in the lock (high-cut, #6) it’s a bloody cracker to pick. Uughhh. FFS. Negotiating when that bottom part of the (upside-down) T fully clears alongside everything else (viz., not unsetting any progress) is a damn PITA.

Moreover, I took some photos and after inspecting them figured others might like the pics. (:

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What the ‘joystick’ pin was made from — a brass (Sargent I think?) spool.


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A bunch more, from another challenge lock. #1 is an ASSA Lockwood steel spool (courtesy of mercurial), #2 & #3 upside-down T-pins w/ wafers; #4 small serrated (Sargent?), drilled PiP; #5 standard, drilled PiP w/ a separate top-bar wafer; #6 a large serrated pin, drilled PiP again.


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The tips were intentionally rounded, and everything polished, so that it flops around in the lock. I found these pins sit a bit lop-sided (less in tighter-tolerance locks) w/ the spring pressure compressing them against their top wafers, and they can flop weirdly inside their chamber depending on the amount of pressure placed on their corresponding keypins. Altogether, I find round tops work better than sharp 90-degree flat edges.


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How it sits, almost ‘assembled’, in the locked-state (master wafers missing on the rounded T-pin tips).

Re: Joystick (T) pin

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:34 am
by HT4
Very nasty looking pins.

Re: Joystick (T) pin

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:47 am
by Korver15
I approve the production of these pins :hammering:

Re: Joystick (T) pin

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:54 pm
by Papa Gleb
Very nice indeed. Damn that Flywheel, after his PIP everyone is making them lol

Re: Joystick (T) pin

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:15 pm
by LocksportSouth
Wow! Very cool :cool:
Damn, you're all so talented with your custom pins and your cutaways and stuff.. Shows me what a Noob I am :D
Nice work :)

Re: Joystick (T) pin

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:28 pm
by davesnothere11
Very well done smoothing looking work.

Re: Joystick (T) pin

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:05 pm
by RS686
That is a whole lot of evil you've got there.
Remind me not to pick any of your locks

Re: Joystick (T) pin

PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:56 pm
by Neilau
They are NOT easy but they can be done. :mrgreen:

The PiP driver pins are not a problem but the others are "Right little buggers" !!!!! especially if you don't know they are there.

He's an EVIL man. :twisted:

Re: Joystick (T) pin

PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:01 am
by aeporia
Cheers guys. (:

The PiP driver pins are not a problem but the others are "Right little buggers" !!!!! especially if you don't know they are there.


Yea, finding this to be the case; PiPs by themselves aren’t too troublesome… however, PiPs mixed amongst other security pins (and giving the PiP outer pins some dremel-love) is what makes the combo difficult.

Once I’ve owned this sucker a few good times I might pass it onto someone willing.

Re: Joystick (T) pin

PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:53 am
by aeporia
Quick update: been playing with one iteration of this T-pin + PiP combo for two hours now, w/o success. I keep getting the most wild false sets. I feel like that I understand how PiP pins work, and I know definitely I’ve gotten false sets so deep it *has* to be pretty much just the inner pins left… but those fuuuuucking T-pins ruin the entire thing.

If this keeps up I’m gonna want to offload this pain onto someone else… anyone willing?

Re: Joystick (T) pin

PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:06 am
by Korver15
aeporia wrote:Quick update: been playing with one iteration of this T-pin + PiP combo for two hours now, w/o success. I keep getting the most wild false sets. I feel like that I understand how PiP pins work, and I know definitely I’ve gotten false sets so deep it *has* to be pretty much just the inner pins left… but those fuuuuucking T-pins ruin the entire thing.

If this keeps up I’m gonna want to offload this pain onto someone else… anyone willing?



uhm. yes. Dibs! :hammering:

Re: Joystick (T) pin

PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:18 am
by aeporia
Korver15 wrote:uhm. yes. Dibs! :hammering:


PM me for a trade or the like? I’d probably do this just after the new year, with all these festive season shenanigans currently.