FAQ  •  My feedback  •  Feedback
UKLockpickers.co.uk Lockpicking supplies such as Lockpicks, tools, and more! COMMANDOLOCK.COM Military grade padlock systems lockpickshop.com A source for lockpicking supplies such as lockpicks, locksmith tools, and more!

Hall's Safe help

<<

FTWLawman

Newbie

Posts: 5

Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:24 am

Post Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:23 pm

Hall's Safe help

Hi all. I've read through a number of post here, one in particular caught my attention, by Cooper and he talks about a train depot safe he is trying to open. I say that because it most closely resembles what I am working with. I have the monstrous Hall's Safe & Lock unit from an old Coca-Cola bottling plant. It is a 130 number dial. As you can see from the photo, I bought a professional manipulation kit to try and help after a few attempts with home-made type devices. After spending the last four days attempting to locate a hint of a drop in the dials...I still have nothing.

I believe this is a four number combo. It is DE, as I feel gates about every 13 numbers. I read in Cooper's post that it is likely a Hall's Straight lock. I am not getting any indication. I've tried running AWL and taking a reading at each gate and then done AWR to take a reading. Problem is, I can find where a gate seems to drop lower than the others, but then the next few gates after that do the same thing. Then, if I reverse and try to measure the gates in the other direction the readings are totally different.

Anyone have pictures of the interior of this lock? Any other advise on this one? I am able to work on it about 4 days a month as I travel.

Thanks,
JD
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
<<

AL usher69

User avatar

Familiar Face

Posts: 248

Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:03 am

Location: New York

Post Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:37 pm

Re: Hall's Safe help

I'm not positive, but I think you should hook up your gadget to the handle. I don't see what your hook to in your picture
<<

MartinHewitt

User avatar

Prolific Poster

Posts: 1576

Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:19 pm

Location: Germany

Post Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:38 pm

Re: Hall's Safe help

It is hooked up to the right handle, but I think the rubber band is on the wrong side. I'll have to do some research.

The rubber band should be right. From what I found there can be three or four wheels, but with your safe I think the four wheels are a more theoretical possibility. Esp. as you have problems you should do a wheel count to find out what you are fighting against. The driver should have one true and nine false gates. Normally these are easy to identify. This true gate of the driver is the fourth number in your combination. Could you locate the ten gates?
Last edited by MartinHewitt on Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
In case you wonder ... Martin Hewitt is a fictional detective in stories by Arthur Morrison:
Martin Hewitt, Investigator Chronicles of Martin Hewitt
<<

FTWLawman

Newbie

Posts: 5

Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:24 am

Post Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:49 pm

Re: Hall's Safe help

This is a double door safe. The left handle moves, but does not interact with the dial. The right handle, which the red plate is mounted to turn CCW to bind with the gates on the dials. You can just barely make out the magnetic rod stuck to the bottom of the safe that the small bungee cords run down to.
Interested in the "device" I'm using? Here is a link to the manufactures video...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQbZ_No ... e=youtu.be

JD
<<

FTWLawman

Newbie

Posts: 5

Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:24 am

Post Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pm

Re: Hall's Safe help

MartinHewitt wrote:It is hooked up to the right handle, but I think the rubber band is on the wrong side. I'll have to do some research.


Turning the right handle CW, the dial doesn't bind. Turning it CCW binds the wheels on the false gates of the dial.
<<

mastersmith

User avatar

Contributor
Contributor

Posts: 607

Joined: Wed May 25, 2011 10:16 pm

Location: Miami Township, Ohio

Post Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:33 am

Re: Hall's Safe help

If there are "false" gates on the drive wheel, one of the gates is usually a different width than the "false" gates. If you determine which one is different you will have your "real" gate. And then, a starting point. Good luck!
"All ye who come this art to see / to handle anything must cautious be...." Benjamin Franklin
<<

L4R3L2

Familiar Face

Posts: 246

Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:48 am

Location: Sutter County, CA

Post Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:45 am

Re: Hall's Safe help

I've never been able to find a price for that kit, but I'd imagine it's quite an investment for a one time deal. You're getting good advise so far. You can run the wheels at any gate indication if you have to.
<<

FTWLawman

Newbie

Posts: 5

Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:24 am

Post Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:43 am

Re: Hall's Safe help

Thanks for the help so far. As for the kit, I have access to a locksmith account, it ran me $250. A fraction of the $2600 a local shop wanted to drill it and the interior door. I believe the interior door has a Hall's Premier, but the combo is set to all the same numbers I think (and pray). It's worth trying. So far I have not been able to differentiate any gate from another. When one give a large needle movement, the next three or four do the same before the needle moves back up. Then, if I run the wheels the opposite direction, the gates indicate totally different. I've tried running wheels 2 and 3 using se3veral of the gates that indicated larger movements but didn't get any good indications from the dials.
<<

L4R3L2

Familiar Face

Posts: 246

Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:48 am

Location: Sutter County, CA

Post Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:54 am

Re: Hall's Safe help

I have my own kit that works well, but that one is pretty versatile and looks to be well made, and the price sounds reasonable. I may have to look into getting one.

Your local shop owner should be horse whipped. Even with repairs it shouldn't run anywhere near that much, especially for direct entry locks.

When you move the dial within a gate with pressure on the handle, do you feel dragging, or is the movement free within the confines of the gate?
<<

FTWLawman

Newbie

Posts: 5

Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:24 am

Post Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:01 am

Re: Hall's Safe help

L4R3L2 wrote:I have my own kit that works well, but that one is pretty versatile and looks to be well made, and the price sounds reasonable. I may have to look into getting one.

Your local shop owner should be horse whipped. Even with repairs it shouldn't run anywhere near that much, especially for direct entry locks.

When you move the dial within a gate with pressure on the handle, do you feel dragging, or is the movement free within the confines of the gate?


I feel the same about the price the local guy is asking to open such a gem.

As for the gate and drag, I can't feel it scrapping the bottom of a gate on any of the positions.
<<

L4R3L2

Familiar Face

Posts: 246

Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:48 am

Location: Sutter County, CA

Post Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:13 am

Re: Hall's Safe help

FTWLawman wrote:As for the gate and drag, I can't feel it scrapping the bottom of a gate on any of the positions.


In that case, you can use any of the gates (whether real or false) to take readings on the other wheels.
<<

jharveee

Prolific Poster

Posts: 984

Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:14 pm

Location: San Marcos, Ca.

Post Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:01 pm

Re: Hall's Safe help

https://youtu.be/9gdEuD9akRA
I enjoy watching this video and hope you may be inspired by it. Looking forward to seeing more photos of your safe.(inside).

Return to Safes, Strongboxes & Combination Locks

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CommonCrawl [Bot]

Don't forget to visit our sponsors for all of your lockpicking needs!
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Grop
"CA Black" theme designed by stsoftware