FAQ  •  My feedback  •  Feedback
UKLockpickers.co.uk Lockpicking supplies such as Lockpicks, tools, and more! COMMANDOLOCK.COM Military grade padlock systems lockpickshop.com A source for lockpicking supplies such as lockpicks, locksmith tools, and more!

New Safecracker, Old Safe

<<

Wolfdog

Newbie

Posts: 3

Joined: Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:16 am

Post Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:35 am

New Safecracker, Old Safe

Hello, I am new to this site and I created an account because I recently stumbled across an old safe that I wanted to try and open myself but since learned that I need professional help. Since I don't have any specialized equipment, I figured the best way to approach this would be to use the stethoscope method of hearing the clicks, even if it is the slowest method to use just because I have the time. The problem is that I don't know what the click specifically sounds like and when I attempt it I'm not sure if I'm hearing it or it's just the dial against metal. Any advice for what I should be listening for and how I should approach the safe? I don't know what the model is so here's a picture of the safe in question in case there's something weird about it that makes it harder to open than 'normal' safes.

Thank you for looking at this.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
<<

GWiens2001

User avatar

Lock-Goblin-Gordon
Lock-Goblin-Gordon

Posts: 3699

Joined: Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:05 am

Location: Arizona, United States

Post Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:39 am

Re: New Safecracker, Old Safe

There is no click that tells you the combination is correct. That is the fiction of movies. What you would be doing is listening for when the fence is contacting the drive cam on either side of the drop zone. Then you are noting exactly what the numbers are at the contact points. For more info, find Oldfast's threads.

Gordon
Just when you think you've learned it all, that is when you find you haven't learned anything yet.
<<

MartinHewitt

User avatar

Prolific Poster

Posts: 1489

Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:19 pm

Location: Germany

Post Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:38 am

Re: New Safecracker, Old Safe

A Victor safe?
In case you wonder ... Martin Hewitt is a fictional detective in stories by Arthur Morrison:
Martin Hewitt, Investigator Chronicles of Martin Hewitt
<<

00247

User avatar

Familiar Face

Posts: 149

Joined: Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:04 am

Location: Wisconsin

Post Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:57 pm

Re: New Safecracker, Old Safe

Enlarging the photo of the dial shows the following.

T. H. S. CO. (The Halls Safe Co)

P.O. Box 846

Cincinnati, O. U.S.A.

This is the first time I have seen the name of the company abbreviated on the dial.

DialXzoom.jpg


antique-halls-safe-company-catalog_1_c102e2c960e9bc38c3ccba79da92704d.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
It is time... stand up for a constitutional America. Without it, we have shed blood in vain.
<<

Wolfdog

Newbie

Posts: 3

Joined: Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:16 am

Post Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:59 pm

Re: New Safecracker, Old Safe

GWiens2001 wrote:There is no click that tells you the combination is correct. That is the fiction of movies. What you would be doing is listening for when the fence is contacting the drive cam on either side of the drop zone. Then you are noting exactly what the numbers are at the contact points. For more info, find Oldfast's threads.


Yea that's the method that I've read online in a couple places, you take those points and you put them in two separate line graphs to compare but I'm having trouble finding those points consistently. I'll try looking for Oldfast's threads but if you could provide a starting link to them that would be great.

00247 wrote:Enlarging the photo of the dial shows the following.

T. H. S. CO. (The Halls Safe Co)

P.O. Box 846

Cincinnati, O. U.S.A.

This is the first time I have seen the name of the company abbreviated on the dial.



Thanks for this, looking online I got three results for what I think are the same safes (selling for a buttload of money but that's beside the point). They all say they are a Hall's Safe 1890 Double Door and that's about as much as I can find on it.

https://www.ebay.com/i/124057806067?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=124057806067&targetid=915708758100&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9027463&poi=&campaignid=9343999098&mkgroupid=94993858779&rlsatarget=aud-622027676548:pla-915708758100&abcId=1139336&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjw57b3BRBlEiwA1Imytv4WEqApZ-x4dN_o-Zf3BHYLw6zpFILasw-QzIxlUzi1wmFFdagdQxoCwYIQAvD_BwE

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Rare-Fantastic-restored-preserved-Halls-safe-c-1890-Mosler-Double-Door/124168244036?hash=item1ce9010b44:g:-o4AAOSwIYdepyPw

https://sw-ke.facebook.com/ChrisSafeRestoration/posts/2438403226474215
<<

MartinHewitt

User avatar

Prolific Poster

Posts: 1489

Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:19 pm

Location: Germany

Post Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:33 pm

Re: New Safecracker, Old Safe

Wow! I couldn't find anything with this PO box and the top line did not make much sense to me.

A Hall's safe has probably a direct entry fence/straight tail-piece lock.
In case you wonder ... Martin Hewitt is a fictional detective in stories by Arthur Morrison:
Martin Hewitt, Investigator Chronicles of Martin Hewitt
<<

L4R3L2

Familiar Face

Posts: 228

Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:48 am

Location: Sutter County, CA

Post Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:31 pm

Re: New Safecracker, Old Safe

Wolfdog wrote: (selling for a buttload of money but that's beside the point).


Those are not selling prices.
<<

madsamurai

User avatar

Active Member

Posts: 333

Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:13 am

Location: Germantown, Ohio

Post Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:38 pm

Re: New Safecracker, Old Safe

lol, that second one is overpriced by around $13,000... I mean, don't get me wrong, it looks to be in really clean condition and has an especially fancy paint job, but jeez...
<<

MartinHewitt

User avatar

Prolific Poster

Posts: 1489

Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:19 pm

Location: Germany

Post Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:38 pm

Re: New Safecracker, Old Safe

Regarding manipulation ...

If this is a Hall's safe with a direct entry fence lock, then the drive cam has 9 false gates and 1 true. When you turn the handle to open and turn the dial you can find these 10 gates where the dial does a full stop. This lock should have another three wheels for the combination.

On Amazon is a yellow book about manipulating a Sentry safe called "Safecracking 101". And The National Locksmith Guide to Manipulation contains 4 pages about direct entry locks.
In case you wonder ... Martin Hewitt is a fictional detective in stories by Arthur Morrison:
Martin Hewitt, Investigator Chronicles of Martin Hewitt
<<

Wolfdog

Newbie

Posts: 3

Joined: Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:16 am

Post Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:11 pm

Re: New Safecracker, Old Safe

MartinHewitt wrote:Regarding manipulation ...

If this is a Hall's safe with a direct entry fence lock, then the drive cam has 9 false gates and 1 true. When you turn the handle to open and turn the dial you can find these 10 gates where the dial does a full stop. This lock should have another three wheels for the combination.



Would there be false gates on a safe this old? If so it would explain why I can't hit consistently. Is there a way to tell which gate is false when the dial stops? Or is it just trial and error until I happen upon the real one?
<<

MartinHewitt

User avatar

Prolific Poster

Posts: 1489

Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:19 pm

Location: Germany

Post Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:45 pm

Re: New Safecracker, Old Safe

If it is the lock, which I believe it is, then it has false gates on the drive cam. I believe it hasn't on the code wheels. How to handle these depends on the lock. Trial and error is not really necessary, but there are cases where trial and error is the fastest way. I suggest you read about manipulation, any manipulation, if you can't find one explaining the manipulation of a direct entry lock. The language of the lock might be different, but the principles are the same. A short paper is this one: https://www.mattblaze.org/papers/safelocks.pdf . There is also "Safecracking for everyone". A video showing a direct entry fence lock is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpTaf1JR4oc .
In case you wonder ... Martin Hewitt is a fictional detective in stories by Arthur Morrison:
Martin Hewitt, Investigator Chronicles of Martin Hewitt

Return to Safes, Strongboxes & Combination Locks

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CommonCrawl [Bot]

Don't forget to visit our sponsors for all of your lockpicking needs!
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Grop
"CA Black" theme designed by stsoftware