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Post Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:57 am

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No more oiling and cleaning and preparing! This safe is locked for you!

The final turn to unlock is left and in this direction you will feel the right CP.
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Post Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:14 pm

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MartinHewitt wrote:No more oiling and cleaning and preparing! This safe is locked for you!

The final turn to unlock is left and in this direction you will feel the right CP.

I agree thank you I'll keep this posted it may a while but I'll try try try till I succeed
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Post Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:10 pm

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I was watching YouTube on friction-fence and the lever rode on the wheel when the wheels were turning mine seems to ride right on top of the wheel when just sitting or turning and it has a light spring feeling pushing down on the wheel I don't see a spring at all I'm just curious as with the lever pushing slightly down Im still having a hard time finding a contact point consistently
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Post Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:06 pm

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The fence lever is connected to a gear by friction. This gear iteracts with another gear (surprise!). That gear is solidly connected to the dial spindle.
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Post Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:06 pm

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MartinHewitt wrote:Could be a 026. It has a friction fence, so there is only one CP. Have fun!

I have googled and looked up about a Yale 026 and haven't found much if any thing. I first started with awr and I'm feeling a cp rcp@6 I only feel it on certain number if any one has information on Yale 026 so I can study along with my graphs thanks again
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Post Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:03 pm

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Feeling it is better than not feeling it. So you need to start optimizing from the locations where you can feel it.
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Post Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:49 pm

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I'm aware that the friction-fence locks have heard. I'm showing the pictures how I see them and no gears if there is a gear /gears they might be under the final drive wheel
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Post Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:37 pm

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Here's some more pics. I haven't found information on a Yale 026 and I'm thinking not all friction-fence locks are gear driven.. I'll be uploading some graphs. Again any info on a Yale 026 unless they are guarded infor. Any help is very much appreciated.
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Post Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:48 pm

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Then it is not a friction fence lock and somewhere has to be a spring.

You can see here the gears in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJkUrZ-EbjQ

PS: There are quite a few locks with what Oldfast calls "flipper fence", but I don't know any with that format and curb.
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Post Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:32 pm

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First thing to do is to remove the shaft bolt for the fence, remove the fence, and post a picture of it. Then we know what you are dealing with. Also look inside the case, often the model number is stamped inside.

Here is a video of a couple friction fence locks with the open case design. The first one is a 065 1/2, I don't recall the model number of the second one but it is different as it has a vertical bolt. Here you can clearly see the gear action Martin is talking about. These locks can have a direct drive (second lock) where the gear is directly on the spindle shaft under the drive wheel or they can be indirect drive where the spindle shaft is separate with it's own gear which drives the gear on the wheel pack which in turn drives the gear on the friction fence. The first lock is of this style.

Yeah, Yeah, I know my dialing was pretty sloppy. lol

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Post Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:07 pm

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The second one is the Yale Y-6. It is the lock depicted in the first friction fence patent.
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Post Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:24 pm

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I hope this helps and there is a 040 on the back
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Post Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:54 pm

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Dial is a Yale patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US232086A/en

It reminds me of that lock: viewtopic.php?f=100&t=12978 Where the name alternates between B-6 and 6B and where maybe nobody is wrong.

In McOmies Files book there is a Mosler B-6 / KCB-607 and a Mosler 5-H. The Mosler 5-H is a true friction fence lock. 5 means it has 4 wheels. H is the type of how the lock is mounted in the safe. There was H, B, nothing and perhaps others. If it was a three-wheel lock, it was model 6, e.g. 6-H, 6-B. At the end of this thread the conclusion is that McOmie was wrong and that his lock was indeed a 6-B just like that of the creator of that thread. With your lock I noticed for the first time, that McOmies B-6 is not a 6-B, because it is not a friction fence lock. It has just like your lock a spring driven pin on the locking bolt. I don't know any fake friction fence locks from Yale. The most similar lock is that Mosler B-6 and I think you should be able to feel two CPs, because the spring pressure doesn't depend on the direction the spindle is turning.
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Post Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:48 pm

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Well thanks for such a quick answer. Well now I have something to work with and I usually can feel CP on this one I thought I felt something at 6 rcp but now i'm not sure, well again thanks I'm back to the grindstone..
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Post Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:58 pm

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You can look (or guess) where the CPs are without the wheel pack. The RCP is for sure more prominent than the LCP.

PS: And regarding manipulation there is not really much difference to a real friction fence lock. It might be a bit easier.
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